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Some ideas for making the bnp unwelcome

Big no-no. People aren't stupid and see through things like that in an instant. Very counterproductive.


Not to affect the people in the area's opinion,for the benefit of the BNP. If it's just one sad loser going door to door with leaflets etc, which it often is, they might not bother focussing too much on that area. Don't see how it could hurt anyway (depending on the stickers) so even if it doesn't work, it's not really counterproductive or a big no-no.
 
Could you two (KBJ, Poster) offer any positive suggestions rather than tilt at the usual windmills? (of whom there are no representatives here, afaik) I know it may make you feel better, but come on!
 
Another vote for this - find out the problems that the BNP are riding on the back of and offer altenative solutions, maybe do some counter campaigning pointing out to people that the BNP are full of promises but the cases when they've been elected they've been as useful as chocolate teapot etc etc.
All good, IMO :D
 
Could you two (KBJ, Poster) offer any positive suggestions rather than tilt at the usual windmills? (of whom there are no representatives here, afaik) I know it may make you feel better, but come on!


@ me? :confused: I thought I had given what I thought were useful suggestions?
 
I was leafletted in Croydon by them and pointed out that all the leafletting squad were short fat blokes with no neck. Is this the new master race I asked?

They did not rise to the bait at all.
 
Not you - KBJ and miseryguts. I took a long time editing. Your suggestions were dead good, I thought. :)

More resources into housing and jobs in working class areas
Halt the mass immigration
Mass retraining of locals
Enterprise Grants and support
Local employment scheme where stuff can be earned by doing work for the local authority
sack corrupt local poltiticians
educate people about how their council works
make councils more democratic
 
More resources into housing and jobs in working class areas
How, where from? Paid for by who? Many people would natually assume you have to work within the limits of existing council funding and come up with anti-immigrant or other cuts against services as an answer. The answer is to demand the rich pay more in taxes to fund local authorities, IMO

Halt the mass immigration
Playing with fire. You'll have a job distinguishing yourself from the BNP

Mass retraining of locals
Yeah, agree, if appropriate. You still have to say who will pay for it tho

Enterprise Grants and support
Local employment scheme where stuff can be earned by doing work for the local authority
Ditto. Who pays?

sack corrupt local poltiticians
Good idea. How?

educate people about how their council works
make councils more democratic
I think there should be ways of working outside the council. Can they be made more democratic within existing structures? How about a medium term aim of workplace and community councils that elect representatives who address local and central govt?
 
kill a few local councilors and replace with some competent ones :rolleyes:
BNP tend to only get elected where the local council is so crap they have pissed the locals off so badly anything is better than voting for the incumbants:(
strangely even Brighton and Hoves shambolic no hoper's have yet to sink to the depths that might encourage the bnp.
either there not really that hopeless
or b you really need to work at being crap to give the bnp a hope
 
How, where from? Paid for by who? Many people would natually assume you have to work within the limits of existing council funding and come up with anti-immigrant or other cuts against services as an answer. The answer is to demand the rich pay more in taxes to fund local authorities, IMO

Agree the rich need to pay more tax that I don't have a problem with. A lot of money could be released by not having the disaster of pfi and Iraq for example. The bottom
Playing with fire. You'll have a job distinguishing yourself from the BNP

Its a difficult one but you need to have an 'immigration breathing space' to rebuild the services and facilities that have been decimated by 28 years of Blatcherism. This would be easier without the extra drains. Also if the govt is seen to be prioritising Britons (of all creeds and colours) then it will pull the rug from underneath the bnp's feet. You can't stop immigration totally but you could reduce the worst impact of cheap labour importation. You would HAVE to have facilities for helping those fleeing persecution but the current free for all (as it is percieved) and the feeling that all new resources are being swallowed up by newcomers because of their extra 'needs' means that we need to halt unecessary immigration in order to rebuild the UK and help those fleeing oppression.
Yeah, agree, if appropriate. You still have to say who will pay for it tho

Ditto. Who pays?

The taxpayer and savings from not wasting so much resources as we are currently.

Good idea. How?

See above also the govt / local auth who provided the enterprise grant could hold a third of the shares in any company helped to start up by the enterprise grant.
I think there should be ways of working outside the council. Can they be made more democratic within existing structures? How about a medium term aim of workplace and community councils that elect representatives who address local and central govt?

Some good ideas there. I think making ward councillors more visible and also having a police house in every ward would make the work of the council more visible.
 
BNP tend to only get elected where the local council is so crap they have pissed the locals off so badly anything is better than voting for the incumbants:(

Agree there. The thing with Skidrow On Sea is that the majority of people are doing just about OK so there isn't the impetus to vote for anyone but the mainstream.
 
KBJ, you are aware that this would mean pulling out of Europe?

Not necessarily. EU countries can restrict their borders if necessary. We are not part of the Schenegen agreement.

What would cause problems with the EU is spending to rebuild as it would count as extra govt expenditure.

The thing is other countries such as Germany rebuilt before there was a consensus that govt spending as a proportion of gdp should be reduced therefore they have an advantage. We are still suffereing from Thatchers legacy and we need to spend to put that legacy behind us.
 
Agree the rich need to pay more tax that I don't have a problem with. A lot of money could be released by not having the disaster of pfi and Iraq for example. The bottom


Its a difficult one but you need to have an 'immigration breathing space' to rebuild the services and facilities that have been decimated by 28 years of Blatcherism. This would be easier without the extra drains. Also if the govt is seen to be prioritising Britons (of all creeds and colours) then it will pull the rug from underneath the bnp's feet. You can't stop immigration totally but you could reduce the worst impact of cheap labour importation. You would HAVE to have facilities for helping those fleeing persecution but the current free for all (as it is percieved) and the feeling that all new resources are being swallowed up by newcomers because of their extra 'needs' means that we need to halt unecessary immigration in order to rebuild the UK and help those fleeing oppression.


The taxpayer and savings from not wasting so much resources as we are currently.



See above also the govt / local auth who provided the enterprise grant could hold a third of the shares in any company helped to start up by the enterprise grant.


Some good ideas there. I think making ward councillors more visible and also having a police house in every ward would make the work of the council more visible.
So, the KBJ campaign would be for:

* A halt to immigration
* More police
* An end to council waste

It's sort of BNP without the racism, no? I simply wonder if that's possible. If it really is possible to place such a heavy emphasis on being against immigration and not end up pandering to racist sentiment?

That is why I'm against putting the blame on immigration and placing it on the lack of tax revenues from the rich
 
I think theres a bit of both
allowing unchecked immigration was never put to the uk populence and no plans were put in place to deal with the resulting problems:(
 
I was leafletted in Croydon by them and pointed out that all the leafletting squad were short fat blokes with no neck. Is this the new master race I asked?

They did not rise to the bait at all.

Election or plain old recruitment shit?
 
At this present time in History, flush the fuckers out using whatever it takes, if not they are gonna cause untold amounts of trouble in our Communities.
 
A Response

Leafletted today by the United Socialist Party. Two sides of A4 headed:
REAL AIMS OF THE BNP

"The real aim of the BNP is a totalitarian state (something like Saddam Husseins regime). Their aim is to abolish democracy, to take away your freedom of speech. They would abolish the Trade Unions and every other political party.

The BNP don't believe in democracy so why should they share in it?

More interesting stuff, a picture of Griffin doing the heil hitler salute, and under it

KEEP THESE THUGS OUT OF LIVERPOOL.
 
I was leafletted in Croydon by them and pointed out that all the leafletting squad were short fat blokes with no neck. Is this the new master race I asked?

They did not rise to the bait at all.

Sontarans Go Home!
Non-Terrans Out!
 
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