Sociology great, philosophy shit?

[fela fan]

Is the limited world the UK, which you left for sunny Thailand?

If that's what's in your mind, then that must be correct.

Your skills of debate will necessarily take a tumble when your thinking processes have been hijacked by an obsession with the debater rather than the debate itself. Your apparent need to disparage others with views you don't like or don't accept is interesting. Decent debaters argue the topic, not the people who are debating.

You are a slave too dillinger.

 

[fela fan]

Fuck off, druggie.

Guess that answers my question pretty neatly. Thank you.

 

[fela fan]

It is like he is reading off a script. It is the same old nonsense, every time.

Your reaction never changes. Funny that. You're displaying dependency tendencies.

 

[Refused as fuck]

Guess that answers my question pretty neatly. Thank you.

There is it again! A brief, yet triumphant, echo of victory.

 

[Dillinger4]

If that's what's in your mind, then that must be correct.

Your skills of debate will necessarily take a tumble when your thinking processes have been hijacked by an obsession with the debater rather than the debate itself. Your apparent need to disparage others with views you don't like or don't accept is interesting. Decent debaters argue the topic, not the people who are debating.

You are a slave too dillinger.

What is there to debate with? You have said a load of nonsense like dont question the questions answer the questions. It doesn't mean anything.

You want a debate, Fela, try and come up with something that is not just a petty word game.

Everybody else is just a slave to you. Now that is arrogance.

 

[Dillinger4]

There is it again! A brief, yet triumphant, echo of victory.

What does it matter. We are just slaves, and Fela is some kind of uber-mensch, who has achieved enlightenment.

 

[Dillinger4]

So you've just discovered an ability that man immemorial has been trying to obtain? You've been able to get inside another's mind to be able to categorically state what that person is?

It would be easy to view this is as some kind of unconscious arrogance.

We have very different concepts of 'mind', I don't think it is something you can get 'inside'

You are deluded because you like to claim plenty of thinks that fit in with the persona you like to project, some wise old expat or something.

But when you actually start to debate, you usually display things that don't fit in with the mask you like to wear. You lie to yourself, and everybody else can see it.

 

[kyser_soze]

If that's what's in your mind, then that must be correct.

Your skills of debate will necessarily take a tumble when your thinking processes have been hijacked by an obsession with the debater rather than the debate itself. Your apparent need to disparage others with views you don't like or don't accept is interesting. Decent debaters argue the topic, not the people who are debating.

You are a slave too dillinger.

The thing is, 'debate' actually requires the person you're debating with to have a consistent position and comprehensible argument, something you spectacularly lack...

 

[fela fan]

What is there to debate with? You have said a load of nonsense like dont question the questions answer the questions. It doesn't mean anything.

See, this in a nutshell is your weakness. You saw my name, and simply failed to read properly because your mind is already closed.

I did not say that at all. I said question the answers.

And that means quite a lot to anybody prepared to read it with an open mind, not a mind that has been closed immediately upon seeing who is contributing to the debate.

Your loss mate.

 

[Dillinger4]

See, this in a nutshell is your weakness. You saw my name, and simply failed to read properly because your mind is already closed.

I did not say that at all. I said question the answers.

And that means quite a lot to anybody prepared to read it with an open mind, not a mind that has been closed immediately upon seeing who is contributing to the debate.

Your loss mate.

LOL

 

[Dillinger4]

I read it with an 'open mind'. It is nonsense. You are saying nothing of substance, just more of the same new age waffle.

 

[kyser_soze]

*pub voice*'e's not wirf it mate!!*pub voice*

 

[fela fan]

The thing is, 'debate' actually requires the person you're debating with to have a consistent position and comprehensible argument, something you spectacularly lack...

Not just lack, but spectacularly lack. Good tabloid style that kyser.

I think you're calling for me to have a consistent position on urban. And of course i cannot do that. How can i be fixed in my opinions?? Only those that think they have learnt it all remain resistant to u-turns and changes of mind.

But i think i'm fairly consistent within individual threads that call upon individual, specific debating topics. I think if you read all my contributions to this thread you'll find i've been most consistent.

 

[fela fan]

That is of course if 'consistency' is considered to be a good trait.

I don't think it is personally. Change is our only constant bedfellow between birth and death. Accepting it or fighting it is the choice.

 

[fela fan]

LOL

Shouting now to get his point across. The louder one gets, the more they've lost the argument.

 

[Dillinger4]

Shouting now to get his point across. The louder one gets, the more they've lost the argument.

 

[fela fan]

I read it with an 'open mind'. It is nonsense.

You can't see it. Fair enough.

Anybody who has an open mind will not react to somebody's opinions with a judgment that it is 'nonsense'. Never will they do that.

Evidence that you're operating on this thread with a closed mind.

 

[kyser_soze]

But i think i'm fairly consistent within individual threads that call upon individual, specific debating topics.

Well, the rest of us know that's not true...

And I'm not saying have a never-changing position - of course as one gets more information one will change ideas, opinions etc. What you lack is consistency in creating an argument and sustaining it, even within one thread.

 

[fela fan]

Shouting with the language, laughing hysterically with the symbols...

You're outta your boat without a piece of wood to cling onto.

 

[Dillinger4]

Same old nonsense.

Cue Fela talking about us as 'slaves' whilst he is living in some kind of imagined enlightened freedom.

Cue Fela accusing everybody of having 'closed minds' when he claims to have the only 'open mind' even though he displays a quite solidly closed belief system outside of which everything is wrong and he is right.

Cue Fela making intonations about how much more enlightened he is, whilst displaying his arrogance.

Cue Fela claiming to have 'won' an argument that exists entirely in his own head, with its own winners (himself) and losers (everybody who thinks he is talking empty nonsense)

And on and on.

 

[Dillinger4]

You can't see it. Fair enough.

Anybody who has an open mind will not react to somebody's opinions with a judgment that it is 'nonsense'. Never will they do that.

Evidence that you're operating on this thread with a closed mind.

Yeh, Fela, of course.



I don't respect your opinions because you could easily say the exact opposite and it would be just as true for you. In fact, you often do.

 

[fela fan]

Well, the rest of us know that's not true...

And I'm not saying have a never-changing position - of course as one gets more information one will change ideas, opinions etc. What you lack is consistency in creating an argument and sustaining it, even within one thread.

That would of course be your misguided opinion, or, more likely, just tabloid thinking.

See, i've been here for six years and are you saying that in all that time i've never had consistency? If you are, you're wrong. You have long recognised my position on western media for example. I think you'll have to agree that i've been consistent on that.

And it's just one example.

Meanwhile it's a pity that you and others have allowed themselves to be waylaid by the need to judge the poster, not the post.

And that is slavery to the past.

 

[Dillinger4]

That would of course be your misguided opinion, or, more likely, just tabloid thinking.

See, i've been here for six years and are you saying that in all that time i've never had consistency? If you are, you're wrong. You have long recognised my position on western media for example. I think you'll have to agree that i've been consistent on that.

And it's just one example.

Meanwhile it's a pity that you and others have allowed themselves to be waylaid by the need to judge the poster, not the post.

And that is slavery to the past.

 

[kyser_soze]

You have long recognised my position on western media for example. I think you'll have to agree that i've been consistent on that.

Yes, consistently wrong about it too, but hey...

Anyway, onto your post. The only thing in it that actually makes sense is the 'question the answers' bit, which isn't especially deep or insightful...

 

[fela fan]

Yeh, Fela, of course.

I find it interesting why you seem to feel the need to use both loud language and loud laughing. You've thus far failed to address one single point i've made on this thread. All you've done is reply to my posts by displaying your own viewpoint about the character of me, another poster.

It's hardly the means of a useful debater is it now?

 

[Dillinger4]

I find it interesting why you seem to feel the need to use both loud language and loud laughing. You've thus far failed to address one single point i've made on this thread. All you've done is reply to my posts by displaying your own viewpoint about the character of me, another poster.

It's hardly the means of a useful debater is it now?

Loud language?

I am laughing because you are hilarious.

All you can do is say people have closed minds and are slaves. It is funny.

 

[Dillinger4]

It's hardly the means of a useful debater is it now?

I have said it already: post something that is not empty new age waffle and we might have something to talk about.

 

[Dillinger4]

What are the odds on Fela calling me a 'closed mind' or a 'slave' in his reply?

 

[fela fan]

Yes, consistently wrong about it too, but hey...

Anyway, onto your post. The only thing in it that actually makes sense is the 'question the answers' bit, which isn't especially deep or insightful...

So, you have absolutely accepted in that sentence that i am consistent on this website, having just a few minutes previously stated that i can't debate due to a lack of consistency.

Can it be made up?

Having changed your tune about my consistency, perhaps you might change you tune about my being wrongfully consistent? Perhaps i'm consistently right?

As for the first point of what i've been saying that you have addressed: i never claimed it to be deep or insightful, you just imposed your past experiences onto me. I was saying what i have come to accept as part of life. I had no agenda except to add my own ideas to the thread. I think that's another area i'm consistent in.

Whether it's deep or not, it has been summarily judged as nonsense by dillinger, that alex chap, and somebody refused or other. Hardly worthy of this forum is it?

It actually has great meaning for anybody interested in philosophy. Reactions to it tell their own stories.

 

[fela fan]

Loud language?

I am laughing because you are hilarious.

All you can do is say people have closed minds and are slaves. It is funny.

Massive block capitals.

Good to provide some healthy lung exercise.

Only certain people there dillinger.

I never said anybody was a slave, more reading problems for you. I said they were slaves to their past.

Huge difference to anybody, never mind anyone with pretensions to philosophy. I feel you need to learn a few more skills in the art of critical reading. At least if you wish to progress along the path...