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Bang on, My lasting if exaggerated impression of Newcastle fans is that they will only be happy if the manager was first conceived in St James Park and then delivered 9 months later at the back of one of the bars serving beer and pies.
It's more a matter of empathy with the fans or region.

Chris Hughton, for instance, was and still is very well liked on Tyneside. Most fans think his sacking was a travesty. He'll never have to buy another drink on Tyneside.

Obviously, locally-raised managers are likely to share that connection, but not exclusively so.

Carver, the current object of Magpie contempt, is a local lad. But he is so hopelessly out of his depth (eight losses in a row followed by a home draw), and clearly a money-saving place-filler that he is the lightening rod for boycott action.

My point is that managing Newcastle United is an equal opportunity hazing.
 
I think you're right about equal ops hazing at NUFC but why the huge hatred for Pardew? I never saw what he did that was his fault as opposed to Astley's.
 
I think you're right about equal ops hazing at NUFC but why the huge hatred for Pardew? I never saw what he did that was his fault as opposed to Astley's.
Fair question. But not hatred. Frustration.

On arrival, Pardew didn't bring an overwhelming record. Newcastle was by far and away the biggest job Pardew ever had, or was likely to be offered. He was a an unambitious choice: a competent, workaday soul, chosen for his compliant demeanour by an owner that doesn't brook dissent, challenge. Someone of greater stature - forged in a crucible of baying crowds, lacerating in-fighting and silverware - a more forceful personality, more belligerent, wouldn't be welcome to an owner that likes to impose his preferences however quixotic.

So far, not Pardew's fault. The money was too big and the term too long for him to walk away.

But on Tyneside integrity is the alpha and omega of a manager. Natives "get" that. Your Keegans, your Sir Bobbies knew instinctively what their role was. The touchstone is the local derby with Sunderland. A minimum of one win per season is acceptable. No wins is appalling. Four defeats in a row is the equivalent of a white-flag surrender. Utter humiliation. For Pardew, they were just another game. *Shrug*

Over time his record proved as flaccid as promised: 12th, 5th, 16th and 10th in the league. Competent, acceptable even, to a smaller club used to the lower reaches of premiership and upper slopes of whatever-second-division-is-called-this-week. For one of the biggest clubs in England? By size, I mean physically. The third largest stadium. Full every home game. The swirling vats of income. Would Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, etc. fans think that a fair record for their club?

Yes, Ashley played him for a fool. Ashley only wants a platform for his cheap-tat, zero-hour rag trade. He's not a football guy. He wants it to be a consistent, predictable business, not a loss-making, volatile, Hail Mary of a punt.

So for four years Pardew was content to play Mr Mediocrity. He accepted players being bought and sold (mostly sold) under his nose. He played for safety. Cup matches were deliberately ignored as a distraction form the main business of keeping in the premiership and sticking to the business plan. A hollow man in a club where adventure is revered above all else.

In tactics Pardew was out of his depth. He ignored the positional strengths of most of the player signings. He stuck with out of form players. He liked to pay the way he was comfortable, seemingly unable to imagine what might be possible.


On occasions Pardew's frustration broke through. He'd have tantrums in press conferences when hacks asked awkward questions. Certain journalists got barred for impudence, including the football writer for the main Newcastle newspaper.

He got sent to the stands and banned on a couple of occasions. He swore at that nice Mr Pellegrini. He headbutted David Meyler. Nothing wrong with a bit of pagga, as the natives say, in defence of the noble and righteous cause. That's integrity. But he got shirty for the wrong reasons. He was embarrassing.

Despite his glaring managerial infirmities, he clung to a sense of entitlement that riled the fans. Instead of being humble, he was cocky. A Mourinho without the cups.

Clutching an eight-year contract in his fist, he looked like he'd dug in for the duration. Unmovable. After four years to prove himself, enough was enough.

Not hatred. Frustration.
 
It has to be Hull really having looked at the run-ins and recent form. This has me gutted as I only get to local (to me) games so I could have gone to see Hull at Toon, Sunderland and Boro (probably). Bollocks!
 
Fair question. But not hatred. Frustration.

On arrival, Pardew didn't bring an overwhelming record. Newcastle was by far and away the biggest job Pardew ever had, or was likely to be offered. He was a an unambitious choice: a competent, workaday soul, chosen for his compliant demeanour by an owner that doesn't brook dissent, challenge. Someone of greater stature - forged in a crucible of baying crowds, lacerating in-fighting and silverware - a more forceful personality, more belligerent, wouldn't be welcome to an owner that likes to impose his preferences however quixotic.

So far, not Pardew's fault. The money was too big and the term too long for him to walk away.

But on Tyneside integrity is the alpha and omega of a manager. Natives "get" that. Your Keegans, your Sir Bobbies knew instinctively what their role was. The touchstone is the local derby with Sunderland. A minimum of one win per season is acceptable. No wins is appalling. Four defeats in a row is the equivalent of a white-flag surrender. Utter humiliation. For Pardew, they were just another game. *Shrug*

Over time his record proved as flaccid as promised: 12th, 5th, 16th and 10th in the league. Competent, acceptable even, to a smaller club used to the lower reaches of premiership and upper slopes of whatever-second-division-is-called-this-week. For one of the biggest clubs in England? By size, I mean physically. The third largest stadium. Full every home game. The swirling vats of income. Would Liverpool, Man United, Arsenal, etc. fans think that a fair record for their club?

Yes, Ashley played him for a fool. Ashley only wants a platform for his cheap-tat, zero-hour rag trade. He's not a football guy. He wants it to be a consistent, predictable business, not a loss-making, volatile, Hail Mary of a punt.

So for four years Pardew was content to play Mr Mediocrity. He accepted players being bought and sold (mostly sold) under his nose. He played for safety. Cup matches were deliberately ignored as a distraction form the main business of keeping in the premiership and sticking to the business plan. A hollow man in a club where adventure is revered above all else.

In tactics Pardew was out of his depth. He ignored the positional strengths of most of the player signings. He stuck with out of form players. He liked to pay the way he was comfortable, seemingly unable to imagine what might be possible.


On occasions Pardew's frustration broke through. He'd have tantrums in press conferences when hacks asked awkward questions. Certain journalists got barred for impudence, including the football writer for the main Newcastle newspaper.

He got sent to the stands and banned on a couple of occasions. He swore at that nice Mr Pellegrini. He headbutted David Meyler. Nothing wrong with a bit of pagga, as the natives say, in defence of the noble and righteous cause. That's integrity. But he got shirty for the wrong reasons. He was embarrassing.

Despite his glaring managerial infirmities, he clung to a sense of entitlement that riled the fans. Instead of being humble, he was cocky. A Mourinho without the cups.

Clutching an eight-year contract in his fist, he looked like he'd dug in for the duration. Unmovable. After four years to prove himself, enough was enough.

Not hatred. Frustration.

'where adventure is revered above all else'.
Well there could be an adventure into the Championship.

But on Tyneside integrity is the alpha and omega of a manager. Natives "get" that. Your Keegans, your Sir Bobbies knew instinctively what their role was.

FFS.... No wonder Newcastle struggle, are the job vacancies for manager going to be placed in the local Job Centre?....

Read my post a page or so back.... the writing is on the wall. Man U to do a favour for Steve Bruce, Allardyce to get his revenge with a piss poor-yet better than Newcastle-West Ham and Pardew to feel smug as a glazier in a riot zone... you couldn't of invented this.
 
What an exciting game tonight. Proper thriller that second half. Sunderland had a job to do (park the bus) and they did it very well indeed. Big Dick crying at ft said it all.

Please please let Hull win and Toon lose on Sunday :D:D
 
I was hoping Newcastle would go down as that was maybe the only way they would ever get Mike Ashley to fuck off.

Instead he's issued an incredibly depressing statement saying he'll be at toon 'until they win trophies' which, thanks to him sabotaging his own team for the sake of a few bob, means he'll be there forever :(
 
Oh well, relegation it is. Never mind, we were 92nd just a few years back. If Boro blow the play offs today at least I'll get to one game next season!
 
I can get to Boro so I will see at least one Hull game next season. When are the championship fixtures released?

Fixtures out June,18th so I hear.
 
(e2a)... from the Premier League?

Looks tight as a nun's chuff at the minute (5 points seprating the bottom NINE clubs).

I fancy Newcastle and/or Villa to fulfill the 'drops like a stone' role (particularly if Villa sack Lambert) but it is hard to pick the usual candidates/dead certs at this stage.

Views?

e2a... Who AND why?

Just thought I'd get in first.....

I fancy Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford
 
I'd say Watford were nailed on now the manager has left. That aside, impossible to say. Sunderland if Advocaat goes. West Ham in the post-Sam world.

I think you're probably right, though.
 
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