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So the fuckers vote for longer uncharged detention

he is going to fight the by-election based on ID Cards, cctv, the erosion of civil liberties and the power of the state, with 42 days being the final straw. Good on him.

As someone who has never voted other than for Labour in my life, if David Davis wants to fight on those grounds, I will happily switch parties.

New Labour showed us that the old political definitions do not apply any more, so if a tory wants to offer a libertarian version of the Conservative Party, then I'm up for it.

Whatever happens, it can't end up as Neocon as New Labour did.
 
3 MPs with basically the same name...

Dai Davies is an independant, supposedly socialist MP in Blaneau Gwent, who supported the government

David Davis is the Tory MP who contested the leadership against Cameron- he is the guy resigning his seat (Haltemprice and Howden)

David Davies is another Tory MP who has the same name just to confuse things :D
 
Although this might seem a redundant question, has anyone considered why this legislation has been presented as being neccessary and who stands to gain most from it?
 
I am a bit suspicious of this new bourgeois? conception of politics as no longer left or right but authoritarian vs libertarian, its a very restricted view of liberty. For example, for benefit claimants its authoritarianism all the way


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New Labour showed us that the old political definitions do not apply any more, so if a tory wants to offer a libertarian version of the Conservative Party, then I'm up for it
 
As someone who has never voted other than for Labour in my life, if David Davis wants to fight on those grounds, I will happily switch parties.

New Labour showed us that the old political definitions do not apply any more, so if a tory wants to offer a libertarian version of the Conservative Party, then I'm up for it.

Whatever happens, it can't end up as Neocon as New Labour did.

Why not?
 
Although this might seem a redundant question, has anyone considered why this legislation has been presented as being neccessary and who stands to gain most from it?
Lol it is a redundant question on U75!

I think most people view an issue with preconceived unwavering principles which decides their opinion on a subject before they even know the details! People hear "civil liberties" and it sends their spidey sense mental! I don't think many people think whether or not it's a law that will be useful or not. Civil liberties = good, any reduction in civil liberties = bad. Period

Personally, the civil liberty aspect of an issue is something I look at second, after I've looked at the practicalities, think for most people on U75 it's t'other way round.

For what it's worth, it's the Police that want this new law, presumably because they are having difficulty finding all the evidence/information linked to a terrorist suspect in 28 days, and think if they can hold a person for 42 days they'll have more of a chance. Me, I'm not so sure they'll find anything in the extra 16 days that they won't find in the 28 days, but then, I've not, you've not, and virtually everyone on U75 has no experience investigating and preventing terrorism, so who knows what they have to look into and how long it takes?

I think the furore on U75 is over who this law will target. Will it target people the police suspect are plotting terrorist attacks? Or will they target protesters? The UK public certainly wants this new law, and there are definitely people out there plotting another July 7th. But your question is good and altho I haven't read every thread on this topic, the key is who the police will use these powers against...
 
As someone who has never voted other than for Labour in my life, if David Davis wants to fight on those grounds, I will happily switch parties
You vote for an MP from a political party based on their manifesto and ideology. Anyone that votes for David Davis based on anything other than what the Tories stand for is delusional. You vote Tory, and you're voting for Tory principles. If you want a protest vote, why don't you, or someone from a left party, stand as the "For Civil Liberties But Against The Conservatives" party? (Or something similar)
 
Labour's deputy leader, Harriet Harman, said: "A by-election is not necessary and it is irresponsible to be calling a by-election when it is unnecessary.

"What this is really about is the conflicts and divisions within the Conservative Party on the important issues of terrorism and national security."
How many of her fellow Labour MPs voted again the bill? :rolleyes:
 
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