So thats where the Revolution went...

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I can find no reference at all to this and confess I have never heard of it. Can you enlighten me?

There was a Play (written by Laurence McKeown & Brian Campbell) of that name. I saw it. In Ti Chulainn more than 10 years ago.

There was no frivolity involved.

There was a good splash of dark humour as you would expect from two ex-Blanketmen (One of whom spent 71 days on Hunger Strike).

i have found a reference to a book that describes that as a musical. very limited access to the text, and it required some creative googling to confirm it appears to be describing the same project you're referring to

Theatres of the Troubles

 

[LiamO]

i have found a reference to a book that describes that as a musical. very limited access to the text, and it required some creative googling to confirm it appears to be describing the same project you're referring to

Theatres of the Troubles

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It was deffo a Play... upon which the Film H3 was based.

 

[LiamO]

I clean forgot. The shinners have already treated us to the delight of " Hunger strike..the musical " . I shit you not .

show me where

 

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no full text available. but the quote from that book that i managed to wrangle out of various searches to get snippets/preview of a line of text is:

Despite being intensely busy with the H3 film, they cowrote the musical, Laughter of our Children


been through my usual sources and I can't find a full text.



and i'm not bringing this up to say i don't believe you. but just that someone has clearly been saying that it was.

 

[LiamO]

no full text available. but the quote from that book that i managed to wrangle out of various searches to get snippets/preview of a line of text is:

Despite being intensely busy with the H3 film, they cowrote the musical, Laughter of our Children


been through my usual sources and I can't find a full text.



and i'm not bringing this up to say i don't believe you. but just that someone has clearly been saying that it was.

If that's what it says, it's absolute bollocks. They wrote no Musical. I saw the whole Play.

(I also saw the lead actor(another ex-Prisoner)'s actual bollocks a lot of the time. There was a local Citizen who had brought her motley crew of red-headed nippers (all girls) along. They were sat on the front row, about three feet away frtom the actors. All the kids burst into fits of giggles when yer man's blanket was torn from him.)

As I said, Laurence McKeown spent 71 days on Hunger Strike himself. The idea he would insult the memory of his dead Comrades with some half-arsed Musical is risible.

TBH I'm surprised at CR posting that. Unless he knows something I don't?

 

[LiamO]

"Sonny Jim"? How old are you?

coley?

 

[coley]

I agree. So why do you find the cheap shot of 'You lost. your mob sold out' necessary.

CR often brings out the worst in me.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's rare that I agree with SF but I think Eoin O' Broin makes sense here:



The centenary of the 1916 Rising can be an occasion of great importance, but only if we use it wisely. The coming months provide us with the opportunity for reflection on our past and understanding of our present.

It would be a tragedy if we were to fritter away the year with vacuous homilies and superficial displays of supposed fidelity to the actors and ideals of the revolutionary generation.

Nor should we shy away from casting a critical eve over the events of a hundred years ago and asking uncomfortable questions about the origins of our own political predecessors.

It would also be unfortunate if those of us organising or participating in centenary events sought only to mobilise the past to legitimise our version of the present and plans for the future.

The Rising and its legacy do not belong to any political party or political tradition – they are national events and belong to all of the people of the nation.

But most importantly 2016 should not be about the past at all, but about the future.

The revolutionary generation of 1916 were not backward looking women and men. Their primary interest was the future and their actions were motivated by the idea that tomorrow can and should be better that yesterday and today.

We are incredibly fortunate to have access to an abundance of source material on the revolutionary generation. From the Bureau of Military History statements of participants in the Rising to the extensive diaries of activists such as Rosamond Jacob, there is a wealth of first hand historical record.

We are equally fortunate that the narrow horizons of both nationalist and revisionist historiography have given way to a more nuanced and sophisticated writing of history – exploring the social, cultural, economic and gendered aspects of our past.

The more we learn about that past the more it becomes patently clear that there was no consensus between the women and men of the revolutionary generation.

The first decades of the 20th century were alive with debate and disagreement. What was the purpose of the coming revolution? What should be its outcome? When should it take place? What tactics and methods should be used? What kind of society were its participants trying to create?

Even amongst the small group of radicals who fought on Easter weekend there were substantial differences of opinion.

And so it should be in 2016. We do not need a sanitised consensus on our past. It should be contested. All of us should be open to a year of rigorous debate.

For this writer the beating heart of the 1916 Rising was the Proclamation from the provisional government of the Irish Republic to the people of Ireland.

The short statement signed by the seven signatories and declared at the GPO on Easter Monday articulates, in distilled form, the values on which this section of the revolutionary generation sought to build their new republic.

From its opening words it breathed an idea of the Republic as inherently egalitarian. The significance of naming women as political subjects in their own right –‘Irishmen and Irishwomen’- may seem unremarkable today, but at a time when women could vote it was truly radical.

The core of the Proclamation states that; ‘The Republic guarantees religious and civil liberty, equal rights and equal opportunities to all its citizens, and declares its resolve to pursue the happiness and prosperity of the whole nation and all of its parts, cherishing all of the children of the nation equally…’

This was the republic imagined by Pearse, Connolly, Sheehy-Skeffington and Jacob. But as Rosamond’s diaries so painfully show, it was not the republic that emerged after the war of independence, partition and the civil war. And as even a cursory look at contemporary Ireland demonstrates, it is not the ‘republic’ we live in today.

As we spend the coming months reflecting on 1916 two questions should preoccupy our thoughts.

Why did the revolution that emerged from the GPO in 1916 not give birth to the kind of republic imagined by women and men of Rising? How can we build that republic today so that tomorrow we live in a place that truly cherishes all of the children of the national equally?

Answering these questions and building that republic would be a fitting tribute to the women and men who gave their lives for Irish freedom one hundred years ago – more than all the homilies and displays of supposed fidelity that you can fit into a year.

 

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If that's what it says, it's absolute bollocks. They wrote no Musical. I saw the whole Play.

(I also saw the lead actor(another ex-Prisoner)'s actual bollocks a lot of the time. There was a local Citizen who had brought her motley crew of red-headed nippers (all girls) along. They were sat on the front row, about three feet away frtom the actors. All the kids burst into fits of giggles when yer man's blanket was torn from him.)

As I said, Laurence McKeown spent 71 days on Hunger Strike himself. The idea he would insult the memory of his dead Comrades with some half-arsed Musical is risible.

TBH I'm surprised at CR posting that. Unless he knows something I don't?

nods.

really not trying to stir shit here. but how misrepresentation and rumour become accepted as fact and therefore become 'history' , and what changes that changed 'history' then leads to, is one of the things i'm particularly fascinated by.

 

[LiamO]

CR often brings out the worst in me.

Ironically enough, he would agree with your original post

You lost, your lot sold out, a lot of people, good and bad, died for nothing,. Live with it.

I don't, but sure it's all academic now.

e2a How old are you? I don't want your DOB, just trying to place you generationally.

 

[LiamO]

nods.

really not trying to stir shit here.

I know that toggle

nods.

but how misrepresentation and rumour become accepted as fact and therefore become 'history' , and what changes that changed 'history' then leads to, is one of the things i'm particularly fascinated by.

Me too. I touched on it in the OP on the Bowie thread.

The 'standard of proof' we require when allegations are made about someone we don't like/don't respect would seem to be substantially lower than those we respect/love (Tell that to the Birmingham 6/ Guildford 4 / Maguires).

It's not difficult to see how these 'truths' gain traction.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ironically enough, he would agree with your original post



I don't, but sure it's all academic now.

e2a How old are you? I don't want your DOB, just trying to place you generationally.

50s 60s

 

[LiamO]

That narrows it down to 20 years then.

Btw, just been talking to a local SF Councillor. I asked him about the 'Strictly' thing. He said the 1916 logo was on all their literature this year but the Strictly thing was definitely not a 1916 event. Laughed at the suggestion. I quoted the blurb I read. He said there must be some mistake, as surely to God nobody would knowingly say the two could be connected.

I quoted the FB page I had seen and have now sent him the link to it. I would imagine the text will be duly edited. So it should be.

 

[Pickman's model]

That narrows it down to 20 years then.

Btw, just been talking to a local SF Councillor. I asked him about the 'Strictly' thing. He said the 1916 logo was on all their literature this year but the Strictly thing was definitely not a 1916 event. He said there must be some mistake as surely to God nobody would say the two could be connected. I quoted the FB page I had seen and have now sent him the link to it. I would imagine the text will be duly edited. So it should be.

knees will be capped no doubt

 

[LiamO]

knees will be capped no doubt

Don't be daft. More like some spotty teenager will get a history lesson and be sent on the next PRO/media course.

 

[Pickman's model]

Don't be daft. More like some spotty teenager will get a history lesson and be sent on the next PRO/media course.

i was having a laugh

 

[LiamO]

Yes. I know. But more than you reads threads... and you know how some love to misconstrue things... religiously.

"Look at the Scum laughing about innocents being maimed" Etc etc

 

[coley]

Ironically enough, he would agree with your original post



I don't, but sure it's all academic now.

e2a How old are you? I don't want your DOB, just trying to place you generationally.

Buggerinell. A clue, me and a lad called Henderson were amongst the last 17 year olds to be deployed to NI, I was nearly seventeen and a half when I arrived in Belfast in May 70, I served nearly half my Army Service in NI early part was Belfast and it environs, a mixture of four month tours and emergency deployments, last was a two year posting in Derry

 

[coley]

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Ok, Pickman's model, you have stuck yer snek in, how old are you? My guess, late forties.
And you LiamO how old are you?
To dispel doubts, I was 63 a couple of days ago, I remember the terror of the CMC, was there at the onset of the troubles and ( despite my doubts) remained true during the strike of 84.

 

[LiamO]

53.

What's the CMC when it's at home?

 

[coley]

53.

What's the CMC when it's at home?

Cuban missile crisis, child
eta, Bugger, it's your generation I really felt for, stuck atween a rock and a hard place.

 

[coley]

i was having a laugh

Aye whey, some of us 'uniformed thugs' who bussed kneecapped kids to the local hospital might not find it it so laughable, sorry if this comes across as a bit 'pedantic'

 

[flyingcolumn]

Anything to make a quick buck these days eh. What an absolute insult. Words fail me.

 

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Me too. I touched on it in the OP on the Bowie thread.

The 'standard of proof' we require when allegations are made about someone we don't like/don't respect would seem to be substantially lower than those we respect/love (Tell that to the Birmingham 6/ Guildford 4 / Maguires).

It's not difficult to see how these 'truths' gain traction.

also self/group deception. changing the truth so they become the heros, not the bystanders or perpetrators.

we start going through examples of that in your part of the world and we will be here next decade.

 

[Pickman's model]

Aye whey, some of us 'uniformed thugs' who bussed kneecapped kids to the local hospital might not find it it so laughable, sorry if this comes across as a bit 'pedantic'

why do you think you might so come across

 

[LiamO]

Cuban missile crisis, child

Right I was looking for an Irish connection to the letters

 

[coley]

Right I was looking for an Irish connection to the letters

The Kennedy's were originally from Ireland

 

[LiamO]

So were the Guevara-Lynch's

 

[LiamO]

also self/group deception. changing the truth so they become the heros, not the bystanders or perpetrators.

we start going through examples of that in your part of the world and we will be here next decade.

You could strt with Johnny Adair's mob in the UDA.

I've seen too many videos where I think 'these cunts actually believe that shit' - where even a cursory google would reveal they are delusional.

 

[Casually Red]

You lost, your lot sold out, a lot of people, good and bad, died for nothing,. Live with it.

I don't quibble with that at all . Never a truer word spoken . And I learned to live with the horrible , awful knowledge of that a very long time ago .