So, just how bad WILL a no-deal Brexit be?

[Pickman's model]

There's no way everything will be normal in Waitrose.

nothing's ever normal in waitrose

 

[JimW]

Much like before a no deal brexit, then?

 

[kebabking]

I do wonder, when Guardian types say in hushed tones that "what working class people don't get is that there'll be massive NHS shortages and food will be scarce" whether they've considered that this may not be the terrifying prospect they think in left-behind towns and estates where both these things have been true for a decade-plus.

Indeed - one thinks of a town local to me, Kidderminster, it once had 40 (forty) carpet factories, it took most of the wool from upland Wales, Shropshire and Herefordshire, it had almost full employment and people commuted from Wolverhampton, Worcester and Birmingham to work in them. It had civic buildings and parks built with that wealth - and now it has 2 carpet factories, and little has replaced what has gone - the schools are good, the houses are good, the parks are good, but the town centre looks like the set of a zombie movie, and the civic buildings are in decay. Few from Worcester, Wolverhampton or Birmingham now travel to work in Kidderminster.

Unsurprisingly, Kidderminster voted leave...

 

[rubbershoes]

I have bought extra olive oil and Lea & Perrins so I'm prepared for pretty much anything

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Yes but you won't be able to do things like take pictures or download stuff.

Course you can. After Brexit our phones will never run out of juice again

 

[SpackleFrog]

They may have slightly longer queues. Perhaps the French cheeses will go up in price.

Sorry, this idea that it's the middle classes that will most feel the effects of the chaos, if there is chaos, is just nonsense.

I think the point is about where the hysteria will be.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I have bought extra olive oil and Lea & Perrins so I'm prepared for pretty much anything

This is incorrect you should have got Hendersons.

 

[Buddy Bradley]

I think it will be generally perfectly fine and you won't notice, until you need to do something specific that has been heavily affected - like travel through Dover, or get a heart transplant from Europe, or get a job in a city/industry where all the companies have upped and left, or find a specific medicine for your kid. And then it will be the worst thing ever.

 

[Rob Ray]

the schools are good, the houses are good, the parks are good, but the town centre looks like the set of a zombie movie

Connects to a thing which is happening all over Europe and rarely gets a mention — essentially a sort of next step from Enclosures where smaller and even some larger towns seem increasingly set for depopulation with working people being forced to move into the largest (victorious) urban zones where the remaining jobs are, as neoliberal capitalism done on truly massive scales renders their former functions worthless.

Was thinking about that vaguely when I saw an article today about the desperate measures taking place in Italian small towns where barely any young people are left to fill the houses. It reads like an alien situation but it's not really, they're just a bit further down the line with an older demgraphic.

 

[SpineyNorman]

This is incorrect you should have got Hendersons.

 

[JimW]

Connects to a thing which is happening all over Europe and rarely gets a mention — essentially a sort of next step from Enclosures where smaller and even some larger towns seem increasingly set for depopulation with working people being forced to move into the largest (victorious) urban zones where the remaining jobs are, as neoliberal capitalism done on truly massive scales renders their former functions worthless.

Was thinking about that vaguely when I saw an article today about the desperate measures taking place in Italian small towns where barely any young people are left to fill the houses. It reads like an alien situation but it's not really, they're just a bit further down the line with an older demgraphic.

Happened all across rural China too, when the people must fit to the economy not the economy support the livelihoods of the people. Of course circumstances change and always have done, towns have thrived and faded in the past, but the pace, scale and the factors driving it are to a degree unlike anything before.

 

[chilango]

Thing is for most of us things will get worse with a no deal Brexit.

Just as they will if we stay in the EU.

...and as they will if some deal is agreed.

It's not a great basis for supporting any outcome over another tbh.

 

[chilango]

Connects to a thing which is happening all over Europe and rarely gets a mention — essentially a sort of next step from Enclosures where smaller and even some larger towns seem increasingly set for depopulation with working people being forced to move into the largest (victorious) urban zones where the remaining jobs are, as neoliberal capitalism done on truly massive scales renders their former functions worthless.

Was thinking about that vaguely when I saw an article today about the desperate measures taking place in Italian small towns where barely any young people are left to fill the houses. It reads like an alien situation but it's not really, they're just a bit further down the line with an older demgraphic.

Midnight Notes write a bit about the "new enclosures" Midnight Notes #10 (1990) – New Enclosures

There's stuff in here about it too.

 

[SpackleFrog]

This can be the new National Anthem when we no deal Brexit and Brenda and Johnson are in the Tower.

 

[rubbershoes]

This is incorrect you should have got Hendersons.

I'm not from Sheffield but have some Hendersons. It's ok in cooking but L&P is the superior condiment

IMO of course

 

[fucthest8]

The UK only has one sex toy manufacturer, so I've stocked up on dildos ready to make a fortune when the inevitable shortage hits. I shall be the worst kind of spiv and be accompanied by armed bastards.
Come 2021 I'll be a millionaire. Can't wait.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I'm not from Sheffield but have some Hendersons. It's ok in cooking but L&P is the superior condiment

IMO of course

Your opinion is fucking wrong and you're going in the Tower with Brenda and the Former PM.

 

[Kaka Tim]

it will be shit.

initially quite possibly very shit - food and fuel shortages exacerbated by panic buying.

very likely food prices will go up significantly.

high likelihood of recession - which will mean job losses, services slashed even further.

the people most affected will be the people at the bottom of the pile.

3 million EU nationals who live here may have their lives severely disrupted.

it will fuel far right nationalism and racist hate crime.

Id put money on all of the above - however their are also likely to be lots of unforseen problems as our administrative bureaucracy, manufacturing and service is so intertwined with 40 odd years of close legal, regulatory and trading alignment with the EU - and a sudden severing of those links will be hugely disruptive in ways that cant really be predicted.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I'm not from Sheffield but have some Hendersons. It's ok in cooking but L&P is the superior condiment

IMO of course

It's no longer a matter of opinion. After a series of double blind tests involving all edible types of meals (bacon sanswich, stew, pudding, pie and chips) hendos has been scientifically proven superior in every way. By science.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Your opinion is fucking wrong and you're going in the Tower with Brenda and the Former PM.

That's a little bit extreme. We could just put lea and perindophiles on a register come the glorious day.

 

[SpackleFrog]

That's a little bit extreme. We could just put lea and perindophiles on a register come the glorious day.

I'm not having it. Maybe a List, but a Register just doesn't cut it. They should be subject to treatment at least as vigourous as the bog standard paedophiles.

 

[JimW]

It's no longer a matter of opinion. After a series of double blind tests involving all edible types of meals (bacon sanswich, stew, pudding, pie and chips) hendos has been scientifically proven superior in every way. By science.

It's just fancy vinegar though really.

 

[Rivendelboy]

It will be like when nineties boy bands reform, but not properly because there's always one cunt that thinks he can do better as a DJ, or suffers from crippling social anxiety.

Or when a guitarist turns up to auditoin for Britain's Got Talent and Simon tells him to fuck off because guitarists

Or when John Lydon offers an opinion on anything whatsoever

 

[SpackleFrog]

It's just fancy vinegar though really.

For example SpineyNorman this one should be boiled in vinegar.

 

[SpackleFrog]

It will be like when nineties boy bands reform, but not properly because there's always one cunt that thinks he can do better as a DJ, or suffers from crippling social anxiety.

Or when a guitarist turns up to auditoin for Britain's Got Talent and Simon tells him to fuck off because guitarists

Or when John Lydon offers an opinion on anything whatsoever

Anticlimatic?

 

[Rivendelboy]

I have bought extra olive oil and Lea & Perrins so I'm prepared for pretty much anything

We can grow olives in britain along with all the tropical fruits we will need to otherwise import because of global warming. Checkmate snowflakes

 

[SpineyNorman]

It's just fancy vinegar though really.

However this this should be punishable by a slow and painful death, loads of little cuts. We'll put vinegar on the lower body and hendos on the upper, see if they can tell the difference then!

 

[Rivendelboy]

Anticlimatic?

even worse than predicted, experts being told to fuck off, and loudmouths spouting off

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Bad enough that more people take on Marxist ideas for how they want the country to be shaped. Something has to give at some point.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

However, we’ll probably stay in the EU.