Smoking in clubs

[killer b]

I think the similarity is that although you don't have a right enshrined in law to spray shit around, at the same time if I and many likeminded people didn't like it then we could simply go somewhere else - sooner or later the proprietor will make a choice about the kind of customer (s)he wants and will take the neccessary steps to keep them happy, without any need for government legislation.

I suspect that one of the main reasons why many pubs & restaurants won't put themselves out for non-smokers is that their regular nicoteen addicts tend to drink more and complain less.

but non smokers don't have the option of going somewhere else. except home...

actually, a non-smoking pub opened near my house last year, and it's rammed every night. but that's the only place i know of...

 

[rutabowa]

in New York it was like in Ireland too, you just went and stood outside for a minute. No problem as long as the bouncers are ok.
But yes the smell of cigarettes in clubs gets replaced by the smell of stale beer and sweat, and personally I prefer the smell of smoke..

 

[J77]

Has anyone done research into the 'harmful' emissions from a smoke machine over those from fags?

 

[hipipol]

I dont smoke anymore but...

all that snivelling and whining from cosseted Labour nose in the fucking trough fat bastard tell me what to do shit bags trying to pretend to be my Dad talking about damage from "secondary" smoking while fucking off round the the world in plane big enough for 200 and only fucking 30 parasites on board, cant that fat thug cunt prescott give up one of his Jags, pos give one of his houses over to some cunt with lung cancer, holier than thou bunch of wankers, have to arrest me cos I am gonna glorify the Terrorism of having a fag in Downing St, OOOOHHHH, your trying to kill the pm with "Passive Smoking", nah yah cunt not if I can stub burning fags out in his slitty little lying eyes first, the snotty public school Cameron Impersonator, is yer wife up the duff again? you need some fucking smoking, specially round yer bollocks you overbreeding pusbag -fuck me how much secondary planet poisoning are all your fucking stinking brats going to do? I think they should be banned from public places
I despise this crew worse than I did herr Thatchler, even after she had annexed the Sudatenland

 

[Kameron]

Do you think we will still be able to smoke in squat parties?

 

[killer b]

only crack, and weed.

 

[Jessiedog]

all that snivelling and whining from cosseted Labour nose in the fucking trough fat bastard tell me what to do shit bags trying to pretend to be my Dad talking about damage from "secondary" smoking while fucking off round the the world in plane big enough for 200 and only fucking 30 parasites on board, cant that fat thug cunt prescott give up one of his Jags, pos give one of his houses over to some cunt with lung cancer, holier than thou bunch of wankers, have to arrest me cos I am gonna glorify the Terrorism of having a fag in Downing St, OOOOHHHH, your trying to kill the pm with "Passive Smoking", nah yah cunt not if I can stub burning fags out in his slitty little lying eyes first, the snotty public school Cameron Impersonator, is yer wife up the duff again? you need some fucking smoking, specially round yer bollocks you overbreeding pusbag -fuck me how much secondary planet poisoning are all your fucking stinking brats going to do? I think they should be banned from public places
I despise this crew worse than I did herr Thatchler, even after she had annexed the Sudatenland

Brilliant!



Woof

 

[paolo]

Do you think we will still be able to smoke in squat parties?

Hmmm. Good question. Will be interesting to see what Munt does - given that they try and run things on a legal basis, and seem to be "settling into" their new venue which doesn't let people go outside.

 

[Onket]

Hmmm. Good question. Will be interesting to see what Munt does - given that they try and run things on a legal basis, and seem to be "settling into" their new venue which doesn't let people go outside.

Or Malfaiteurs when they are in Dukes.

 

[Skim]

I don't know what to think. For a long time I was in favour of a partial ban, hoping there could be some compromise whereby pubs and clubs would be forced to provide non-smoking areas. But this would be difficult for some people to do... not sure how it would be enforced, either.

I've just given up smoking and can't deny that it will be made a lot easier by the smoking ban in pubs and clubs. Then again, I don't want to deny someone what they need to have a good night out. If I were smoking, I would find it pretty difficult to go through the night drinking and dancing without a smoke. It's not pleasant going home with the smell of smoke on your clothes when you haven't been smoking, but what the hell – you're going to wash your clothes anyway.

It's a shame they went as far as banning smoking in private members' clubs, but on the other hand, the blanket ban is fairer on everyone.

Can't say I'm looking forward to the smell of disinfectant and vomit, though. If they start using pot-pourri, we're all in trouble

 

[iROBOT]

I think this is all a ploy for nicotine subsitute companies to make a mint out of all of this.

 

[perplexis]

excellent. so you'll support my rights to shit on a plate and eat it sat next to you, spraying bits of foecal matter all over you and your friends?

i can't really see the difference, you see...

Hmm. You know what?
I'd never realised that faecal matter and smoke are the same!
Thanks for bringing it to my attention that I actually shit smoke !

I respect your right to do that in an establishment where it is permitted, just like I respect the right of people to fuck at Torture Garden, even if they do get jizz on my boots. Amazingly I don't feel the same way about people going at it in a restaurant or in a different kind of club, where that kind of behaviour is neither expected nor permitted (though if they're not importuning anybody it's not so bad, I guess).

So yeah, if I rock up to your scat-friendly venue and the patrons are merrily chowing down on arse-logs then I'll go somewhere else. Even if my friends are especially keen on this venue. Anyway, where are you going to find a ventilation system that can successfully extract shit particles from the air? Smoke is a (somewhat) different matter.

Just like I won't go to a strip club or lapdancing venue no mater who wants to take me there- I can and do exercise my choice not to patronise this kind of thing.
The point I'm making is that there are places where it is acceptable to do certain things that are not acceptable elsewhere- drinking in pubs but not in schools, driving cars on the road but not in parks, shooting guns in shooting ranges and not in crowded rooms, that kind of thing. Not only that, but people know what to expect. Given this, I don't understand the need for a total ban, and it jars with my notions of what personal freedom should mean. Much as I have the choice to smoke or not smoke I have the choice to not frequent smoky bars clubs etc. People don't have the choice to bring children into most pubs so they have to go to the ones that accommodate children, should there be a blanket ban on age limits for licensed premises because they're preventing some people from going to some places?

I don't know, it just seems completely unecessary.

 

[Spandex]

I think this is all a ploy for nicotine subsitute companies to make a mint out of all of this.

designer nicoteen patches?
vicks flavoured nicoteen nasel spray?

you could be onto something there...

 

[hipipol]

Erk!

Minty pun alert pain thing

 

[Yossarian]

Do you think we will still be able to smoke in squat parties?

I don't think the next big multi-rigger is going to have stewards going round politely asking people to extinguish all smoking materials...

 

[Louloubelle]

For the last few years I've been only going to smoke free venues (there are hadly any) and outdoor music events and festivals

Once the ban is enforced I'll probably avoid festivals because of the smoke, it affects me even outside, and go to indoor clubs

I can't wait, bring it on

*blows cobwebs off dancing shoes*

 

[London_Calling]

Is anyone else bored with this yet ?

The arguments have been had in 50, 100 cities around the world already; really, there's nothing new to be said. It's over. Finished. Nothing's going to change.

But it seems that's not going to stop addicts taking the ultimate micro-subjectibe viewpoint "wha about meeeeee", you kind of think they would chose not to understand what 'public policy' means if it was shoved up their arse sideways.

Deal with it people, and for fuck sakes stop with this pathetic, drug-addled whinging.

 

[twistedAM]

Is anyone else bored with this yet ?

The arguments have been had in 50, 100 cities around the world already; really, there's nothing new to be said. It's over. Finished. Nothing's going to change.

But it seems that's not going to stop addicts taking the ultimate micro-subjectibe viewpoint "wha about meeeeee", you kind of think they would chose not to understand what 'public policy' means if it was shoved up their arse sideways.

Deal with it people, and for fuck sakes stop with this pathetic, drug-addled whinging.

i agree but i'm also being selfish...i smoke two packs a day and work in a bar and tonight i really wish the ban was in place...i love it cos it replaces my total lack of willpower; bring it on

 

[Cadmus]

This totally ruins dancing with ur fag high up in the air moment.

 

[free spirit]

don't suppose anyone's got any idea how this works with festival marquees do you - ie are all marquees at a festival going to have to be none smoking, only marquees with bars in them, or are they not covered at all?

coz I really can't be arsed trying to sus out how to steward that one.

2 points on the smoking outside clubs thing...

1 - have they thought of the bouncers rights to work without being surrounded by smokers all night.

2 - most clubs only have an alcohol licence for the premises so you'll have to leave yer drinks inside while going for a tab - loads of potential for spiking of drinks (or just nicking drinks) methinks

I reckon i'm gonna need a supply of nicotine patches for when I'm djing

 

[tommers]

Is anyone else bored with this yet ?

The arguments have been had in 50, 100 cities around the world already; really, there's nothing new to be said. It's over. Finished. Nothing's going to change.

But it seems that's not going to stop addicts taking the ultimate micro-subjectibe viewpoint "wha about meeeeee", you kind of think they would chose not to understand what 'public policy' means if it was shoved up their arse sideways.

Deal with it people, and for fuck sakes stop with this pathetic, drug-addled whinging.

yeah, terrible thing, that congestion charge wasn't it?

 

[tommers]

excellent. so you'll support my rights to shit on a plate and eat it sat next to you,

mate, if you want to. feel free. going a bit far just to prove a point but hey, to each their own.

 

[corporate whore]

In answer to the OP - as far as I understand it, the venue will have to enforce the no-smoking rule. Inspectors will make anonymous visits and if a venue's found to be lax in their enforcement, it will be fined. Therefore, it's in the venue's interests to enforce the ban.

The venue will be under no obligation to provide for smokers. Time to kick the habit.

Should imagine a few hefty fines will be enough to focus any venue's policy.

Can't wait till a musician gets done for smoking on stage, though.

 

[Yossarian]

Is anyone else bored with this yet ?

The arguments have been had in 50, 100 cities around the world already; really, there's nothing new to be said. It's over. Finished. Nothing's going to change.

But it seems that's not going to stop addicts taking the ultimate micro-subjectibe viewpoint "wha about meeeeee", you kind of think they would chose not to understand what 'public policy' means if it was shoved up their arse sideways.

Deal with it people, and for fuck sakes stop with this pathetic, drug-addled whinging.

If avoiding non-smoking venues means not having to deal with people like you, I'm beginning to see the good side of the ban...

 

[hipipol]

A ban in pubs, bars, etc seem cool enough
However, to prevent people from setting up their own "Smoking Clubs" seems a step too far
Exempting themselves is also utterly out of order
I would support a ban on polititians being al;lowed to appear in public

 

[pogofish]

don't suppose anyone's got any idea how this works with festival marquees do you - ie are all marquees at a festival going to have to be none smoking, only marquees with bars in them, or are they not covered at all?

Scottish authorities are applying a "Ratio of openness" to outdoor/temporary structures for this. Anything less than 50% open is considered "enclosed" under the terms of the ban & will be non-smoking. So for most places, this means sides/screens or a roof but not both. Most FTM are being as stroppy/obstructive as possible to applications for such structures if they think they are to be used for outdoor smoking tho.

The main bus companies are shitting themselves because they just completed an upgrade that saw many old shelters replaced with in-out fully enclosed (except for door spaces) structures because of the harsh cold winds off the sea here. They want to punch-out all the panels on two sides to go over 50% to avoid the risk of prosecution if someone sparks-up in one.