Smash Miss University London Beauty Pageant!

[revol68]

But the second anyone turns the spotlight back on you, oppressed white male lol, you have a major fucking hissy fit

sorry I have contempt for relativist identity politics precisely because it's supposed turning of the spotlight is utterly inane and only serves to castrate anything approaching an emancipatory politic. The lefts short sighted embrace of such faddy shit is a large factor in why the political landscape is as barren as it is.

I would have thought my jokey point about me being an oppressed child of hibernia eeking out a meagre subsistence on the cursed oppressors dole would have made it clear that such relativism only ends in farce but apparently not.

If you want to turn the spotlight back on my political arguments by all means do so, hold them up to critical comment but please don't kid yourself that pointing out i'm white and male is doing anything other than illuminating the bankruptcy of your own argument and more fundamentally only serving to uphold the status quo by removing the possibility of a real emancipatory politic.

 

[cesare]

Stifle indignation, lolz. I'm fucking indignant that people can be such knee jerk fuckwits, protesting a beauty pageant is as relevant and worthwhile as protesting a Jay Z gig for his lyrics about women, infact it's less relevant as beauty pageants are irrelevant kitsch crap. The reason they are protesting a beauty pageant instead of something like a Jay Z gig is precisely because the beauty pageant is irrelevant shit, as such the protest is little more than self congratulatory moralising backslapping and not close to challenging contemporary gender politics.

You probably grew up when free love was apparently something subversive doesn't mean to say it's nothing but a contemptible means for sleazy fuckers to take the mick.

You what now? You decide what form gender politics takes, what's relevant, what's not, what's worthy what's not? You?

A woman says 'well actually x, y and z' and you descend from a great height putting her right and setting out where she's gone wrong?

Oh thanks for that.

If you've got a handy checklist of acceptable feminist protests that'd be great.

 

[revol68]

oh for fucksake does it really matter if i have fucking cock or cunt, does my argument carry greater weight one way or the other? No of course it fucking doesn't.

This relativism is utterly pathetic, if you are going to embrace it atleast be consistent with it and chastise yourself for telling the oppressed children of England's first colony the correct protocol in discussing gender politics are.

Next time you feel outraged about the hanging of homosexuals in Iran, the mutilation of female genitalia or the general disgusting position of women in Afghanistan society may I remind you that you a relatively well off white british woman are in no place to pass judgement on the cultural practices of countries who have bleed under the butchers apron and whose systematic rape has went somewhat in producing the material circumstances that allow you to pontificate so smugly on the internet.

Like I said I'm disappointed that you've sunken to such pathetic non arguments, especially as it's one based on a logic that offers nothing for the millions of men and women around the world struggling against the tyranny of tradition and culture.

 

[cesare]

oh for fucksake does it really matter if i have fucking cock or cunt, does my argument carry greater weight one way or the other? No of course it fucking doesn't.

This relativism is utterly pathetic, if you are going to embrace it atleast be consistent with it and chastise yourself for telling the oppressed children of England's first colony the correct protocol in discussing gender politics are.

Next time you feel outraged about the hanging of homosexuals in Iran, the mutilation of female genitalia or the general disgusting position of women in Afghanistan society may I remind you that you a relatively well off white british woman are in no place to pass judgement on the cultural practices of countries who have bleed under the butchers apron and whose systematic rape has went somewhat in producing the material circumstances that allow you to pontificate so smugly on the internet.

Like I said I'm disappointed that you've sunken to such pathetic non arguments, especially as it's one based on a logic that offers nothing for the millions of men and women around the world struggling against the tyranny of tradition and culture.

<inserts jesus lol pic>

You get well worked up with this feminist stuff don't you

Don't worry, at the end of the day we'll stay in our place.

 

[revol68]

<inserts jesus lol pic>

You get well worked up with this feminist stuff don't you

Don't worry, at the end of the day we'll stay in our place.

no i don't get worked up about feminism stuff i get worked up by people falling back on irrational relativist shit especially when said people should be some of the first to see what a dead end it is for all politics other than the status quo.

it is however an argument much favoured by many people on sexual and gender politics and furthermore one that to me stands in stark contrast to the egalitarian universalism that the best in feminism aims towards.

 

[cesare]

no i don't get worked up about feminism stuff i get worked up by people falling back on irrational relativist shit especially when said people should be some of the first to see what a dead end it is for all politics other than the status quo.

it is however an argument much favoured by many people on sexual and gender politics and furthermore one that to me stands in stark contrast to the egalitarian universalism that the best in feminism aims towards.

Rubbish. You've got a real fucking bee in your bonnet about gender politics. I've never seen you popping up on race or disableds threads with equivalent arguments. Actually, I'd love to see you popping up on a disabled thread with pronouncements about what they could or couldn't protest about.

Go on, try it.

 

[revol68]

actually where relativism has popped up in race issues i have, check a ton of threads on libcom, it's generally from some yanks and normally from white radicals with guilt dripping from them, ive also arguing against relativism in regards to liberal multiculturalism.

relativism on racial issues is far less common than gender, something I feel reflects how reified gender difference is within society, as I said those relativist arguments only act to support the status quo.
as for the disabled well it might have something to do with the general lack of disability politics that are discussed on these forums and it also might have something to do with the fact i've never encounter identity politic relativism in such regards beyond the old joke about HIV positive lesbians in wheelchairs.

I mean I wouldn't rule out telling some disabled people their protest was stupid if I thought it was, thankfully I haven't came across disability protests that aren't by and large very concrete in their demands. I mean if the protest wasn't against a beauty pageant but for the facilitation of proper toilets as opposed to only stand up urinals then yes of course I'd support it but if it was some protest about disabled people with false limbs taking part in sports being sell outs and promoting an ablist ideal then I'd call bullshit.

 

[cesare]

Jesus wept

To the extent that anyone read all of that - it's like ICC-lite

Lecture fucking lecture. Do this. Do that. Comply.

 

[revol68]

look who's turnt into dylan...

get back to me when you've got an argument, as for the ICC as annoying as they can be atleast they generally argue politics instead reverting to the gutter of relativism.

 

[cesare]

look who's turnt into dylan...

get back to me when you've got an argument, as for the ICC as annoying as they can be atleast they generally argue politics instead reverting to the gutter of relativism.

I'm not surprised that you'd prefer the ICC's politics to in your face tell that way to the disableds.

 

[ViolentPanda]

because clearly they fucking are, so much so that it shouldn't need fucking saying. Unless of course you think a protest against the Iraq war was on the same level as a protest against Jerry Springer The Opera.

This would depend on your perspective.

 

[revol68]

This would depend on your perspective.

how profound.