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Smash Miss University London Beauty Pageant!

You’re not an anarchist you’re a liberal this is straight from Mill.

I've never read any Mill.

And how can you possibly know whether or not I'm an Anarchist based on a few posts on a bulleting board. You've never met me, you've never spoken to me, you don't even know what I look like, so you're really on to a loser from the off by thinking you can pigeonhole me just because my personal opinion doesn't happen to coincie exactly with your liberal opinions and rather high-and-mighty attitude.
 
Equal standing in the eyes of the law is laudable is straight from JS Mill and not a particularly anarchist aim in itself.

But why would anyone oppose the event on sexual equality grounds? As far as I am aware the legal rights of men and women are the same in this particular matter. :confused:

But there in lies the problem equal legal rights ignore the unequal situation in society, in which men are in a dominate postion. For example, women also have the right to equal pay but in reality don’t get it.
Lucky they also get more maternity leave then men or do you think it should be the same for both genders? After all that wound be fair right?
 
No, look, it's easy. It's this issue, and the point is not what X Y and Z are - it doesn't matter at all. The point is that saying "it's their free choice so we shouldn't interfere" doesn't work.
 
I've never read any Mill.

And how can you possibly know whether or not I'm an Anarchist based on a few posts on a bulleting board.
Urmm I was basing it on you username actrully I assume you just like the sound it makes and didn’t realise that having that as a username is a bit like going around with a sign saying hi I’m an anarchist.
you don't even know what I look like
Ok I’ve tried but don’t get the relevance of this at all.
 
No, look, it's easy. It's this issue, and the point is not what X Y and Z are - it doesn't matter at all. The point is that saying "it's their free choice so we shouldn't interfere" doesn't work.

That's your opinion, not mine.

If it's not posing a danger to others, and personally I don't see that it is, then I'm not about to turn it into some personal crusade and give people grief over taking part in it. People, male or female, prancing about in swimwear is hardly a mortal threat to the well-being of others as far as I can see. And, until it is, I'm not about to make any fuss about it.

I've campaigned on a number of issues over the last few years that were relevent to whether or not people underwent major suffering (climate change, the developing world, war and so on). Issues that were a far greater threat to the well-being, and the very lives, of a great many people around the world. And I'm happy to do that because people's very lives were and still are at stake. Until the issues that cause death, starvation, war and untold misery in the world are at least somewhere on their way to being resolved, then I'll concentrate my energies on those issues and leave the issue of a few pretty folk, prancing about not some London club wearing very much, to others.
 
Urmm I was basing it on you username actrully I assume you just like the sound it makes and didn’t realise that having that as a username is a bit like going around with a sign saying hi I’m an anarchist.

Ok I’ve tried but don’t get the relevance of this at all.

I chose it because I am an Anarchist and have been for a number of years, actually.

We don't all have exactly the same opinions about every single issue, you know.
 
But there in lies the problem equal legal rights ignore the unequal situation in society, in which men are in a dominate postion. For example, women also have the right to equal pay but in reality don’t get it.
Lucky they also get more maternity leave then men or do you think it should be the same for both genders? After all that wound be fair right?
That's just a bonkers interpretation of what "fair" means. Giving birth cannot fairly be equated with being the baby-father or partner of the new mother.

It's not me saying that these women should not have the right to take part in such entertainments. Either nobody does, or we all do. Seriously, call off your old tired ethics. Adult men and women have a right to make use of their sexuality and good looks for fame and fortune if they wish.

Even if you do find that tacky and yuchy.
 
No, it isn't just my opinion, unless your opinion is that "it's their free choice" trumps everything ever. In which case it is my opinion but your opinion is bollocks.

I didn't say that an individual's freedom of choice 'trumps everything, ever' though, did I?

I said that I don't go round actively suppressing that choice unless it poses a clear and actual threat to others, and in this case it clearly doesn't.

Convince me that this particular event is a genuine danger to anybody and I'll happily get involved. Until then, I'll concentrate my energies on issues that are actually life or death to other people.
 
Is it possible that the OP is some sort of troll? Just seems so 80's boiler-suit stereotype. I guess it's the use of the word 'smash' in particular that makes me think this.
 
Free choice is free choice to me. If people (male or female) choose to flaunt what they've got and see if they can get anything out of it then that's up to them. It's their body, so it's their choice.

Funny sort of opinion for an anarchist not to analyse the social and historical context in which this "free" choice is taking place!
 
I've never read any Mill.

And how can you possibly know whether or not I'm an Anarchist based on a few posts on a bulleting board. You've never met me, you've never spoken to me, you don't even know what I look like, so you're really on to a loser from the off by thinking you can pigeonhole me just because my personal opinion doesn't happen to coincie exactly with your liberal opinions and rather high-and-mighty attitude.

Well you name yourself after a rather prominent anarchist! One that was prone to secret vanguardism, but hey...
 
Feminist men make my clitoris shrivel


Clearly not just yours. My mother was in a very angry at men place when I was in a key developmental stage which turned me for years into one of those simpering feminist ponces. But once I accepted that people are people, whatcha gonna do, I got a lot more pussy.

It's a funny old world, if you think about it. And doesn;t contain enough to drink.
 
I think its a bit lame having a University beauty pageant though, I thought Uni was a place you went to be admired for your ability and brains, not how even your fake tan is.

However the Daily Mail (and other right wing press) have been having a field day with this. Unless the protesters all look like Jordan, they'll trot out the old 'ugly girls are jealous' sterotype.
 
I think its a bit lame having a University beauty pageant though, I thought Uni was a place you went to be admired for your ability and brains, not how even your fake tan is.

However the Daily Mail (and other right wing press) have been having a field day with this. Unless the protesters all look like Jordan, they'll trot out the old 'ugly girls are jealous' sterotype.
I am
 
I think I know my own beliefs somewhat better than you do, ta, seeing as we've never met nor talked at all.

I write, when my health permits. I enjoy my job, and no, I don't feel the least bit exploited by editors or publishers or whoever else happens to accept or commisiion my work.

I'm well aware that most people only work for the money and don't actually like what they do. My own Dad was one of them when he worked the local docks for 26 years and he's far happier working for himself, as he does now. I'm also well aware that by no means everybody is able to get a job that they actually like. But simply not liking your job doesn't equate to exploitation, in my book. Poor pay and conditions, unsafe working environments, being paid less than another worker who does the same job, those things are exploitative to me. And it's not as if we're even talking about something that people have to do to survive, like working in a job they may hate, we're talking about a fucking beauty contest, for heaven's sake.
If Bakunin were alive to read you writing this shit in his name, he'd literally kill you.

He'd also probably be pissed and ranting about the Jews while he was doing it, but that's by the by.
 
It's not me saying that these women should not have the right to take part in such entertainments. Either nobody does, or we all do. Seriously, call off your old tired ethics. Adult men and women have a right to make use of their sexuality and good looks for fame and fortune if they wish.

Even if you do find that tacky and yuchy.
While the idea of actively trying to disrupt this Miss University thing is a bit daft (seriously people, priorities), the point isn't really whether or not the pageant should be allowed to go ahead or whether the women involved have a "right" to participate, but what such contests say about wider social attitudes towards women in particular and gender in general.

It'd be nice to actually be able to discuss that without some banal liberal twat jumping in bleating about how criticising anything that anybody choses to do is basically the same as being a Nazi.
 
:eek:

Who's this banal liberal twat jumping in bleating about how criticising anything that anybody choses to do is basically the same as being a Nazi?

I must have missed something!
 
It's the issues of sexual freedom and politics that most reliably mark out the neo-puritans these days.

Next, they'll be telling us that prostitution is an evil in itself, and justifying all sorts of repressive measures against sex-workers, their families, friends and clients.

Oh, wait! :hmm:
 
Liberals will be telling us next that we all live in some vacuum of free choice, divorced from social circumstance...oh wait, look!
 
No one said any such thing -- only that the onus is on the moralists to justify their interference.
 
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