Smartphone chat: Palm/WM/Blackberry etc (part2)
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ChrisFilter
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A fair point... WM is fugly.
Kid_Eternity
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Palm Treo 500 for £160 brand new! Tempting...
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I liked the Treo 500, although the Vodafone interface played a big part in that. Mind you, I would have thought the rumoured Treo 800w wouldd be more up your street.
Probably of no interest to you, but the Treo Centro is down to £168 now with some pretty colours on the way:
Word is that it's Sprint's biggest seller in the States.
http://blog.treonauts.com/2008/02/more-centro-col.html
Probably of no interest to you, but the Treo Centro is down to £168 now with some pretty colours on the way:
Word is that it's Sprint's biggest seller in the States.
http://blog.treonauts.com/2008/02/more-centro-col.html
Kid_Eternity
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I liked the Treo 500, although the Vodafone interface played a big part in that. Mind you, I would have thought the rumoured Treo 800w wouldd be more up your street.
Probably of no interest to you, but the Treo Centro is down to £168 now with some pretty colours on the way:
Word is that it's Sprint's biggest seller in the States.
http://blog.treonauts.com/2008/02/more-centro-col.html
The 500 has 3G and apparently is pretty straight forward to use as a modem. A phone has to have 3g or wifi these days to get a look in for me tbh...but that's a bit better on price for the Centro though, and good move to do one in pink!
Kid_Eternity
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This looks nice, check out the specs, pretty decent too. Like the keyboard good size with good spacing between keys.
WWWeed
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who the hell is MWg? I've just been looking at expansys and been seeing a lot of interesting devices from them:
http://www.expansys.com/c.aspx?t=cat&f=67
The thing that caught my eye was the MWg Atom Life:
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=161051
its not everyday you get a simfree phone with a 600mhz+ cpu, gps, wifi, 1GB ROM, ect for £200
With a bit of luck, they should grow and give HTC something to worry about!
http://www.expansys.com/c.aspx?t=cat&f=67
The thing that caught my eye was the MWg Atom Life:
http://www.expansys.com/p.aspx?i=161051
its not everyday you get a simfree phone with a 600mhz+ cpu, gps, wifi, 1GB ROM, ect for £200
With a bit of luck, they should grow and give HTC something to worry about!
Kid_Eternity
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That's a pretty good deal!
Kid_Eternity
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It's not all bad:
"Palm Inc., maker of the Treo e-mail phone, posted its third straight quarterly loss as customers defected to Apple Inc.'s iPhone and new BlackBerrys made by Research In Motion Ltd."
Isn't the defection what you'd expect...? With a low-cost product this indicates the market for the Centro is very different from their previous smart-phones... In the face of slick consumer campaigns from Apple, and equally slick corporate ones from RIM, having a low close device is a good strategy, IMO..
I wonder if they can continue the sales volume when they switch to the new Palm o/s in a probably higher priced device. If they can do that they might be back on track...
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I'm not convinced that Steve Jobs is going to be 'hurt' in the slightest here, but Valleywag is reporting that "Palm poaches another Apple executive." There sure seems to be a fair bit of Mac -> Palm job hiring going on recently.
With talented individuals being lured over to Palm, it does suggest that something positive must be happening behind the scenes.
g force
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True this is a massive push by Palm to try and score more of the corporate market (trad BB territorty and not really iPhone) and the consumer market. However, you could also view it as a last roll of the dice...if they invest all this time, effort and cash and fail to really dent BB where they really need to it could be game over long-term.
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I agree - the stakes are very high now as Palm have ridden their luck for an awful long time.
But I'm thinking they must have some sort of winning plan up their sleeves if they've managed to tempt over so many Apple big shots in recent months.
Kid_Eternity
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I keep thinking that but also have this nagging feeling it's too little too late for them...
I thought the Centro was aimed at the consumer market...? (Low price, bright colours, etc). Not saying it can't be used in a corporate environment, just that going up against BB is quite high risk: lots of lock-in for business types to stick with Blackberry)
g force
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Well yes, but any smartphone develoepr needs to think of the corp market too because it's clear iPhone isn't getting much traction. A killer device for that market would IMO make a bigger win than the more crowded consumer market to compete with Apple, HTC etc.
I can't believe they're hiring all these developers to build a consumer only phone. If they are then I think they're doomed.
I can't believe they're hiring all these developers to build a consumer only phone. If they are then I think they're doomed.
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They've got a new Palm OS coming out in Q1 next year, with a well specced WM Treo due in a few months offering Wi-Fi, GPS etc.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
I'm getting one of these, HTC 6500 and the Shift has been released and will be tested by mobbie companies in the next few weeks looking at about May to August release.
The first one has a load of features and is supposed to be significantlly better than the touch includes with all the usual features and feature set the rather cool but ultimately useless finger print reader and the bafflingly odd barcode reader...
Barcode battlers anyone...???
the shift though isn't as initally faddy as the 6500 though, however it's a considerable step up in terms of smart phone. It's the size of the chunky universal which is a weight and combersome however....
It's got a 20 gig hdd/fd and runs vista natively rather than CE/mobile
(so no doubt it'll be a genuis iteration of hardware which is utterly buggered by the OS again...)
The first one has a load of features and is supposed to be significantlly better than the touch includes with all the usual features and feature set the rather cool but ultimately useless finger print reader and the bafflingly odd barcode reader...
Barcode battlers anyone...???
the shift though isn't as initally faddy as the 6500 though, however it's a considerable step up in terms of smart phone. It's the size of the chunky universal which is a weight and combersome however....
It's got a 20 gig hdd/fd and runs vista natively rather than CE/mobile
(so no doubt it'll be a genuis iteration of hardware which is utterly buggered by the OS again...)I thought the selling point of the shift was that it ran both windows mobile and Vista?I'm getting one of these, HTC 6500 and the Shift has been released and will be tested by mobbie companies in the next few weeks looking at about May to August release.
The first one has a load of features and is supposed to be significantlly better than the touch includes with all the usual features and feature set the rather cool but ultimately useless finger print reader and the bafflingly odd barcode reader...
Barcode battlers anyone...???
the shift though isn't as initally faddy as the 6500 though, however it's a considerable step up in terms of smart phone. It's the size of the chunky universal which is a weight and combersome however....
It's got a 20 gig hdd/fd and runs vista natively rather than CE/mobile
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
As far as i'm aware it's vista only but seeign as both vista and mob 6 run on the same (albe it different configs) kernal as windows 7 which for both mob and pc should be much more in line with each other it's possible that in essence it already does...
Problem is that there is a killer business device. Its the Blackberry... Corporate market is also much harder to get into, as the iPhone has shown. With corp market you need all kinds of features, including remote deleting built in...
Apple seem to have done well. If I were Palm I'd do the same. Make a decent consumer phone, make sure all the bugs are out of it and then make it work for businesses...
Kid_Eternity
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Oh Lordy! One - and it is only one - gloom-laden research analyst reckons that Palm is 'not long for this world.'
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...verage-with-under-perform-rating/?mod=BOLBlog
Elsewhere, there's rumours that Verizon is set to pick up the Centro in the US, further increasing its remarkable sales i's already offered by Sprint and AT&T, but nowt in the UK).
KE: that blue Centro does indeed look very nice. If only those tossers at Palm could shove Wi-Fi and 3G in there!
I'm still loving my Centro, btw. Best phone I've ever had.
http://blogs.barrons.com/techtrader...verage-with-under-perform-rating/?mod=BOLBlog
Elsewhere, there's rumours that Verizon is set to pick up the Centro in the US, further increasing its remarkable sales i's already offered by Sprint and AT&T, but nowt in the UK).
KE: that blue Centro does indeed look very nice. If only those tossers at Palm could shove Wi-Fi and 3G in there!
I'm still loving my Centro, btw. Best phone I've ever had.
Kid_Eternity
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Yep, couldn't agree more!
Seems fairly standard. If they don't deliver on the new o/s then they're a gonner. If they do, then it will be interesting if it will be interesting enough to be able to compete with Apple, RIM, or Android... They might be able to get some cash from Windows phones, but I'm guessing it will be a declining market in the future...
It's a fair article though. Palm's in danger of becoming the new Psion really - loyal but dwindling customers and rapidly becoming a company too small to invest/compete against the big boys. Psion led to Symbian I guess, but Palm may struggle to even get that far.
They need a really striking product to launch their new OS in combination with, or it's curtains I fear.
They need a really striking product to launch their new OS in combination with, or it's curtains I fear.
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The first bit's not actually true. The Centro has proved to be Palm's fastest seller, particularly in the States, already shifting over a million units - way more than previous Palm handsets and a company record.
So their sales are going up but their market share is rapidly shrinking because more people are buying smartphones and they're in the odd situation of having a hit phone on their hands but no way to quickly follow it up or capitalise on its success - and all the time their competitors are surging forward with the biggest threat coming from Android, IMO.
As I said before, unless they pull something special out of the bag, my Centro could well be my last Palm phone. And that would rather be a shame.
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