Smack A Whiteboy: Mentalist US identity politics.

[Fruitloop]

I will make sure I explain that to my mates at five-a-side next week.

 

[camouflage]

Having taken the time to actually read the link now, it is kind of depressing.

Racism is now (and with a straight face) an integral part of 'anarchist' ideology in the USA. There is no hope for them in my opinion, they'll have their race-war one of these days and degenerate into a Somalic hell-hole of armed 'collectives', right-wing militias and apocalyptic death cults.

I'm staying well away from that place, it's like an Octavia Butler book in the making.

 

[5t3IIa]

Having taken the time to actually read the link now, it is kind of depressing.

Racism is now (and with a straight face) an integral part of 'anarchist' ideology in the USA. There is no hope for them in my opinion, they'll have their race-war one of these days and degenerate into a Somalic hell-hole of armed 'collectives', right-wing militias and apocalyptic death cults.

I'm staying well away from that place, it's like an Octavia Butler book in the making.

Don't be scared of the Yanks. They'll never get a decent war going cuz one of them will shoot the another one and before you know it they'll all be in jail and hassling their mums for lawyer money and blaming the apocs.

Then it'll go around again.

 

[camouflage]

*Why CrimethInc.?*

CrimethInc has been/is the breeding ground for white anarchists. They
encourage the culture of dropping out of society, which makes the assumption
that the reader/attendee has that privilege and therefore their words speak
only to those that have it.

Refusing to try to create a culture of calling people out on their shit
allows for people in privilege to remain stagnant and thus creating “safe
spaces” for the oppressors.

CrimethInc organizers have on many occasions attempted to try to dominate
and control mass actions.

The furthering of our (oppressed peoples) silencing to create harmony to
just sit back and deal with the oppressive behavior that we face within the
“movement” for any oppression of that beyond class. The attitude that these
oppressions are either irrelevant or not as important

Having no effective or serious anti-oppressive analyses or stance shows us
that combating oppression is not in their interest

*Why the White "Anarchist" Movement?*

All of us who have participated in this action have interacted with white
anarchists for good amounts of time in our organizing and/or lives. Our
relationships with these folks have varied. But let us tell you this, not
one of us has been unaffected by the racism within the movement. Don't think
these are isolated instances. White supremacy plays a role in everything.
The anarchist scene reproduces the same oppressive social relationships we
face throughout society, and furthers the notion that oppression does not
exist within the movement. This silences many. [Note: watch Born In Flames]

We see this blatant oppressive behavior and failure to address privilege and
each individuals role in the furthering of oppression [see bottom
for:internalized fascism].

Most of us have to spend our lives in unsafe spaces, and it is worsened with
white peoples inability to help address oppression.

Euro-centric anarchism that also fetishizes people of colors struggles

Colorblind, Pretending we are all coming from an equal position

Failure to barely even question cultural appropriation.

Continuously fighting for the white issues in oppression. which has divided
the feminist movement, gay rights movement and the anarchist movement in the
US.

Failure to deconstruct white supremacy for what it truly is. meaning it's
not just about nazis.

The white race continues to be a parasitic force through cultural
appropriation, colonisation(they call it gentrification these days). They
brought and continue genocide. Disease, slavery, starvation, capitalism,
patriarchy, Christianity. Each and every white person benefits from white
supremacy and the oppression of people of color. ultimately they will serve
their own good. White anarchists tokenize/fetishize indigenous and other
people of color. We are objectified and become something to be managed and
be organised by whites, or educated by the white man. We are sexualized by
the white queer anarchist movement. From the eco, feminist, unionist,
student, communist, punk anarchists; in the end they show their white
supremacy.

The depressing thing is they're probably right, that is to say they're racist mindset is probably justified.

 

[Bajie]

I tried reading that link, none of it makes any sense to me, can someone please translate on what these 2 groups of assholes are squabbling about?

 

[5t3IIa]

I tried reading that link, none of it makes any sense to me, can someone please translate on what these 2 groups of assholes are squabbling about?

Aponc arncho collective get 'evicted' from their annual beano by an apoc anarcho collective.

Latter collective is quicker to post their version of events. CrimethInc still thinking about it http://www.crimethinc.com/blog/2009/07/19/crimethinc-convergence-final-update/#comment-17554

Too busy arguing about rolling agenda item: whether their weekly softball game will start at 10 or 11am

 

[In Bloom]

I tried reading that link, none of it makes any sense to me, can someone please translate on what these 2 groups of assholes are squabbling about?

Crimethinc are a loose network of mostly white, middle class idiots. APOC are a loose network of non-white idiots some of whom have decided that Crimethinc are racist because they're mostly white.

 

[camouflage]

The depressing thing is they're probably right, that is to say they're racist mindset is probably justified.

Well, not "justified" but I can see what they think they're on about.

still, only in the states could they turn Anarchy into what amounts to a hate movement.

 

[JHE]

Freaks vs Freaks

Crimethinc are a loose network of mostly white, middle class idiots. APOC are a loose network of non-white idiots some of whom have decided that Crimethinc are racist because they're mostly white.

Normal for narchs?
Normal for Yank narchs?
Normal for anti-Ray Cysts?
Normal for Yank anti-Ray Cysts?


I think they are just a bit more energetic in the US. Narchs don't 'evict' other narchs here, as far as I know.

 

[Fruitloop]

The depressing thing is they're probably right, that is to say they're racist mindset is probably justified.

I dunno, I mean crimethinc are tools, but I don't really believe that they're racists.

 

[N_igma]

Am I the only one thinking "WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK?"

 

[5t3IIa]

Am I the only one thinking "WHO GIVES A FLYING FUCK?"

I'm dipping a toe into the water.

 

[revol68]

The APOC lot are probably just as middle class as the Crimethincers and to compensate for this they up appeal to the colour of their skin, cos everyone knows there is no such thing as a middle class person of colour. Hating whitey loads and loads allows them to re-affirm their ghetto credentials, much like NWA

 

[quimcunx]

I don't understand anything in that article.

Worse, I don't know whose side I'm meant to be on.

 

[DotCommunist]

The APOC lot are probably just as middle class as the Crimethincers and to compensate for this they up appeal to the colour of their skin, cos everyone knows there is no such thing as a middle class person of colour. Hating whitey loads and loads allows them to re-affirm their ghetto credentials, much like NWA

sadly, this is likely got some truth to it.

You think corner boys grinding (wire overdose) give two fucks about the APOC's beef about gentrification?

 

[5t3IIa]

I don't understand anything in that article.

Worse, I don't know whose side I'm meant to be on.

You've got to read it three times, then google for crimethInc then have another read. It's worthwhile if you're genuinely into doing some research and getting a light dig in. Otherwise it's a waste of valuable Weekend Thread time.

 

[Bajie]

Right, I see, the simple answer is then, they are all twats.

 

[camouflage]

I dunno, I mean crimethinc are tools, but I don't really believe that they're racists.

No you wally! I mean ANOC are racists. They judge people by their race. They evicted Crimethinc because they're white.

 

[camouflage]

I'm dipping a toe into the water.

Same here. Across-the-pondlife is a little bit fascinating on a slow forum day.

 

[camouflage]

I don't understand anything in that article.

Worse, I don't know whose side I'm meant to be on.

Niether, remain- Above It All.

 

[5t3IIa]

Same here. Across-the-pondlife is a little bit fascinating on a slow forum day.

It's quite easy once you get going isn't it? I thought I might have the learn some theory frist! Lol!

 

[camouflage]

sadly, this is likely got some truth to it.

You think corner boys grinding (wire overdose) give two fucks about the APOC's beef about gentrification?

True. The very fact they're interested in Anarchy proves they're middle class and university educated. Since Franco's day, only middle class well educated people have understood the word 'anarchy' as anything other than a slightly posh word for general chaotic fucked-upness.

 

[5t3IIa]

It's funny innit. 'Workers unite!' say the punks. 'Fuck off out of my face punk!' say the workers!

 

[camouflage]

It's quite easy once you get going isn't it? I thought I might have the learn some theory frist! Lol!

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

why can't they speak english. it's partly in english & partly in mad yank jargon

No it's not. I've read the damn thing and can't make sense of it. Sounds like some stale leftover crap from the 60s.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

The depressing thing is they're probably right, that is to say they're racist mindset is probably justified.

They make the mistake of thinking that all white people have power. They don't.

 

[Fruitloop]

'Male-bodied persyn' indeed. Obviously taken from The Big Book of How to Consign Yourself to Complete Irrelevance.

 

[DotCommunist]

They make the mistake of thinking that all white people have power. They don't.

yeah, but the arguement to that is that by nature of being white (even if poor) you are treated differently, better even, than your equally impoverished non-white nieghbours by a white dominated society.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

yeah, but the arguement to that is that by nature of being white (even if poor) you are treated differently, better even, than your equally impoverished non-white nieghbours by a white dominated society.

There's a certain truth to that. However, it doesn't account for the fact that the poor black person has more in common with the poor white person than with a rich person of any color. The other factor to consider is that if you walk around with the mindset that you'll never get anywhere because you're oppressed, you probably won't.

 

[revol68]

yeah, but the arguement to that is that by nature of being white (even if poor) you are treated differently, better even, than your equally impoverished non-white nieghbours by a white dominated society.

yeah but does that mean you have to go round constantly feeling guilty for being white and having to ask some dickheads if it's okay to have a meeting?

The lauhable thing is the APOC twats who took issue to the crimethinc kids having the event in a 'non white' part of town aren't from that part of town either and the locals didn't give a shit.