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Six Nations 2009

goode...:hmm: ok so hes scored a few points this season for brive but really.. no geraghty or lamb. In fact I would rather have seen cipriani in there:eek:

julian white...whaaa?? Even if MJ says he's pickin on form then by that criteria Alex Corbisiero should be in there not some twat who's passed his sell by date and was never really world class anyway.

when will England start looking forward instead of stabbing themselves in both eyes. You want to win the next world cup? well you need to start getting players in NOW, give them a run, so they make thier mistake sooner rather than later.

really S Armitage is the only ray of hope that someone in camp england realises that they need young players comin through...

fuckin 'eyebrows of thier own mind' Goode... i still cant belive that:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Andy Goode as England fly half? WTF?!? :confused:

Not good enough for Leicester, but apparently good enough for England.

Listen Johnson, Andy G may have had a hair cut, but that doesn't make him a better player.

Lets hope he doesn't choke it like he did in last years premiership final.
 
Fuck it all.

I've been a bit harsh on Goode, he has some qualities, but there's no way he's the best we've got. Please, please, please admit we need an overhaul and give the prospects a go.
 
The Boy said:
Teams announced for the weekend. Ireland v France as follows:

Ireland: 15 Rob Kearney (Leinster), 14 Tommy Bowe (Ospreys), 13 Brian O'Driscoll (Leinster, captain), 12 Paddy Wallace (Ulster), 11 Luke Fitzgerald (Leinster), 10 Ronan O'Gara (Munster), 9 Tomas O'Leary (Munster), 8 Jamie Heaslip (Leinster), 7 David Wallace (Munster), 6 Stephen Ferris (Ulster), 5 Paul O'Connell (Munster), 4 Donncha O'Callaghan (Munster), 3 John Hayes (Munster), 2 Jerry Flannery (Munster), 1 Marcus Horan (Munster).
Replacements: 16 Rory Best (Ulster), 17 Tom Court (Ulster), 18 Mal O'Kelly (Leinster), 19 Denis Leamy (Munster), 20 Peter Stringer (Munster), 21 Gordon D'Arcy (Leinster), 22 Geordan Murphy (Leicester).


France: 15 Clement Poitrenaud (Toulouse), 14 Julien Malzieu (Clermont-Auvergne), 13 Florian Fritz (Toulouse), 12 Yannick Jauzion (Toulouse), 11 Maxime Medard (Toulouse), 10 Lionel Beauxis (Stade Francais), 9 Sebastien Tillous-Borde (Castres), 8 Imanol Harinordoquy (Biarritz), 7 Fulgence Ouedraogo (Montpellier), 6 Thierry Dusautoir (Toulouse), 5 Lionel Nallet (Castres) (c), 4 Sebastien Chabal (Sale), 3 Benoit Lecouls (Toulouse), 2 Dimitri Szarzewski (Stade Francais), 1 Lionel Faure (Sale).
Replacements: 16 Benjamin Kayser (Leicester), 17 Nicolas Mas (Perpignan), 18 Romain Millo-Chluski (Toulouse), 19 Louis Picamoles (Montpellier), 20 Morgan Parra (Bourgoin), 21 Benoit Baby (Clermont-Auvergne), 22 Cedric Heymans (Toulouse).

Pretty beefy French pack with plenty more in reserve on the bench. I feel we should win the battle there - in any event there won't be any penalty tries coming from scrums! Bit worried about the lack of cover at 10 - Beauxis is no slouch but if he gets injured then we're screwed. Good to see Jauzion-Fritz in the centre (or Chowzion as Jonathan Davies calls him).

Oh, and I think Ireland probably start with a 7 point headstart thanks to the inclusion of Poitrenak.

edit: Ireland by 9.
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I'm quite happy with that team, I would have like to have seen Earls in there.

Hopefully kidney will have installed some munster grit into them, I'll be happy if we grind out a win. Kicking is going to be really important in this match, they will be good on the counter.
 
mattie said:
Fuck it all.

I've been a bit harsh on Goode, he has some qualities, but there's no way he's the best we've got. Please, please, please admit we need an overhaul and give the prospects a go.
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Goode was always good at playing tight rugby though, wasn't he? He orchestrates the 10 man version of the 15 man code well; decent tactical kicking, solid, defensively sound. Could this be Johnno reverting to type and (perhaps temporarily) ditching running rugby for a more 2003 era gameplan?

If so, he's fucked, because he no longer plays for England, and neither do the likes of Dallaglio or Wilkinson. England don't have the staff to play the type of rugby that their genes demand, unfortunately.
 
Give me Strength

Matt Perry in todays Guardian :D

Big debate: Can England win this season's Six Nations title? Yes

Despite their recent results, England can definitely win the Six Nations this year. The difference in talent between the sides is minuscule and if anything, England just have the edge.

What the guys involved need to start doing is replicating their club form at international level. All of them are good footballers and regularly display this at domestic level. But for a variety of reasons, primarily a lack of experience, they have yet to consistently show what they can do in the white of England. Hopefully that is about to change.

For me, the real talent is in the back line. I feel Danny Care could ignite England as long as keeps the ball off the ground and plays with the confidence he has displayed ever since breaking into the Harlequins first team. Riki Flutey will also be important at centre and then in the second row we have some wily old dogs, like the captain Steve Borthwick, who can make the difference at crucial moments in matches.

But for all the talent England have they cannot be successful unless all the separate units gel to create a coherent team pattern, something that was definitely a problem during the autumn internationals. In fairness, England started well against Australia, New Zealand and South Africa but then dropped off in all three games. The main reason for this appeared to be a lack of communication and that is easily rectified. It is not a case of the players working on anything physical or tactical on the training pitch but merely being more vocal with each other, and that will come as they gain more experience and confidence at international level. Saying that, it is also important that those who play at Nos8, 9 and 10 do more to link play, and that involves not just talking more but also doing more when in possession.

Those autumn defeats were a really tough experience for those involved but I disagree with the view that it proves this England team is a long way off from being successful. The side went into the matches with little international experience and will have come out of them with a whole lot more – that can only be a good thing. It will also help the players that in Martin Johnson they have a head coach who takes a long-term view. Knowing Johnno, I'm sure he has not panicked and will instead have learnt from those defeats and continue to shape the side in the way he wants them to perform not just at these Six Nations but also at the next World Cup.

That is why I also believe the decision to drop Danny Cipriani to the Saxons squad is not a negative step. Danny has been playing like a man under pressure for some time and as a result, lost the instinct that makes him one of the world's most promising talents. Playing against Ireland A will allow him to express himself and regain his confidence and that can only be good for England's long-term development.

England are not expected to do well at the Six Nations but as they showed by reaching the final of the 2007 World Cup, they have an innate ability to respond when their backs are against the wall. I expect them to show the same response again. This team is too talented to fail.
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It's more than a bit hopeful, but it's not entirely ridiculous imo.

I wouldn't be surprised if England provide a shock or two. Rugby's one of those games where strange things can happen once confidence and momentum is gained. Sides can play either well above or below the sum of their parts.
 
On the positive side:-

Steffon Armitage being in shows at least Jonno's paying some attention to form, Tindall deserves his recall and he certainly offers more than the terminally one dimensional Noon.

Geraghty, Tait and Foden on the bench means for the first time in a while we have some impact players who can come on for the final 1/4 and make a difference.

Good to see Kennedy back after he was inexplicably dropped after the saffa game:confused:

On the negative side:-
Whats the point of White on the bench against a team like Italy, surely that is a spot well suited to a young talent like Corbiserio who could come on at the end of the game and gain some valuable experience?

Ditto for Hartley who imo should start, I like Mears and his 100% attitude but he just doesn't have the physical stature needed at this level.

Goode's selection depressingly points to a 10 man, up the jumper, big boot, Leicester style. I fucking hate the way Leicester play the game:mad:

Borthwick is not good enough to be an international captain, never will be:( But then who else have we got? Vickery proved to be damp squib of a captain, maybe they should give Haskell a shot at it?
 
tarannau said:
It's more than a bit hopeful, but it's not entirely ridiculous imo.

I wouldn't be surprised if England provide a shock or two. Rugby's one of those games where strange things can happen once confidence and momentum is gained. Sides can play either well above or below the sum of their parts.
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I think England are capable of providing a shock or two but Perry's saying ye can win it. Thats more than a shock or two.

England are also well capable of providing a shock and losing to Italy.
 
Scotland team:
Hugo Southwell (Edinburgh); Simon Webster (Edinburgh), Ben Cairns (Edinburgh), Graeme Morrison (Glasgow), Sean Lamont (Northampton); Phil Godman (Edinburgh), Mike Blair (Edinburgh); Allan Jacobsen (Edinburgh), Ross Ford (Edinburgh), Geoff Cross (Edinburgh), Jason White (Sale), Jim Hamilton (Edinburgh), Ally Hogg (Edinburgh), Simon Taylor (Stade Francais), John Barclay (Glasgow).

Paterson on the bench :eek:, must mean were going for tries then. White in the 2nd row for Hines (injured) plenty of bulk but might affect the lineout. Ah well.
 
starfish said:
Scotland team:
Hugo Southwell (Edinburgh); Simon Webster (Edinburgh), Ben Cairns (Edinburgh), Graeme Morrison (Glasgow), Sean Lamont (Northampton); Phil Godman (Edinburgh), Mike Blair (Edinburgh); Allan Jacobsen (Edinburgh), Ross Ford (Edinburgh), Geoff Cross (Edinburgh), Jason White (Sale), Jim Hamilton (Edinburgh), Ally Hogg (Edinburgh), Simon Taylor (Stade Francais), John Barclay (Glasgow).

Paterson on the bench :eek:, must mean were going for tries then. White in the 2nd row for Hines (injured) plenty of bulk but might affect the lineout. Ah well.
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Hate to say it, but Wales should eat that team alive.

Not that they necessarily will, mind:)
 
starfish said:
Hopefully hes jinxed it now.
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Ah, it's all meaningless anyway. Ireland are going to cut through the 6N this year like a green and stampy knife through butter. Our game on Sunday is but an entree to the inevitable victory of the unfancied, but cohesive and skilled, bhoys from the emerald isle.
 
bendeus said:
Ah, it's all meaningless anyway. Ireland are going to cut through the 6N this year like a green and stampy knife through butter. Our game on Sunday is but an entree to the inevitable victory of the unfancied, but cohesive and skilled, bhoys from the emerald isle.
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Fuck off :D

I can actually see us getting to Cardiff unbeaten and then :(:(
 
bendeus said:
Ah, it's all meaningless anyway. Ireland are going to cut through the 6N this year like a green and stampy knife through butter. Our game on Sunday is but an entree to the inevitable victory of the unfancied, but cohesive and skilled, bhoys from the emerald isle.
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STOP DOING THAT!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:









:D
 
tarannau said:
It's more than a bit hopeful, but it's not entirely ridiculous imo.

I wouldn't be surprised if England provide a shock or two. Rugby's one of those games where strange things can happen once confidence and momentum is gained. Sides can play either well above or below the sum of their parts.
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I think England could really struggle this year because they don't have the unbeatable air that they've had up until last season, even though they've been getting gradually worse since 2003.

Wales, Ireland and France will be expecting to win their games against the Saes and I can see Scotland and Italy targeting them.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Martin Johnson, Rob Andrew or both get the axe before the Lions are announced.
 
Buds said:
I think England could really struggle this year because they don't have the unbeatable air that they've had up until last season, even though they've been getting gradually worse since 2003.

Wales, Ireland and France will be expecting to win their games against the Saes and I can see Scotland and Italy targeting them.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Martin Johnson, Rob Andrew or both get the axe before the Lions are announced.
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What the hell is martin johnson is doing there anyway i'll never know. Send him to coach the under 14s at Plymouth Albion or summat to make him learn how to coach first before you know getting the biggest coaching job in english rugby union.
 
jannerboyuk said:
wtf?!

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article5663425.ece

never known anything like it.
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Bit of a polymath is old Bergamasco, played a few games at wing and it's not that odd to see a wing playing 9 - I'm pretty sure I've seen Shane Williams put in a few credible performances there. Very odd to see a 7 there, granted.

Care is out, Ellis in. More injuries to players I'd love to see have a proper go, although Ellis is himself no stranger to injuries so good luck to him.
 
jannerboyuk said:
What the hell is martin johnson is doing there anyway i'll never know. Send him to coach the under 14s at Plymouth Albion or summat to make him learn how to coach first before you know getting the biggest coaching job in english rugby union.
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what the hell rob andrew is doing there i don't know.

he left the Falcons in a worse state when he left compared to when he started and had produced nothing of note for a number of seasons.
 
mrkikiet said:
what the hell rob andrew is doing there i don't know.

he left the Falcons in a worse state when he left compared to when he started and had produced nothing of note for a number of seasons.
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I'm no fan of gossip, but pretty much everyone I know who's had any dealing with him suggests he's a bit of an arse and quite the politician.
 
mattie said:
I'm no fan of gossip, but pretty much everyone I know who's had any dealing with him suggests he's a bit of an arse and quite the politician.
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Rob Andrew? A bit of an arse, and a conniving, machiavellian one at that? Name your sources, sirrah! I find this hard to believe:mad:
 
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