sir craig mackey: and other craven cops

[not-bono-ever]

that post of mine sounds terribly macho - its not meant to be btw

 

[klang]

At this point i think i'll take a rest from this place

hope it's just a rest!

 

[Spymaster]

Don't use real names

 

[xenon]

hope it's just a rest!

Seconded.

Think that was a joke your typo. Bush / Bish.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I hope it was worth the wait!

Not the words i used iirc.
Anyway, bringing up and disingenuously using bits from a conversation we had privately over a curry( to score a point) is out of order. I know a handful of people from here in real life and i wouldn't, nor expect them to be using things said in private (whatever the subject) to be splashed across the internet. At this point i think i'll take a rest from this place.

Mate, don't fuck off.

Not for one moment do I suspect that spy intended to cause you any offence/upset, at most perhaps an error of judgement on his behalf.

 

[Wilf]

People who haven’t been in this sort of situation often think this kind of fighting is like the movies, all slow motion, dramatic balletic movement and cool music, together with a clarity about who’s who and what’s going on. The reality is more like the coordination of a load of six year olds playing football complicated by the shock factor, your mind doesn’t really want to accept what it’s seeing all whisked together with fear of getting killed.

84 seconds. That’s about a third of the time it taken to type this far.

I like to think I’d have done what he did, and stuck to the drills. There is a tiny part of the hero fantasist in me that I’d have jumped out and disarmed the cunt with a weapon constructed from a rolled up briefing paper and some cool ninja moves. There’s a fear in me that the most likely option is that I’d have run blindly forward towards the shouting and added the not very effective efforts of a fat middle aged bloke, with some decent muscle memory but not much muscle left, to the six year old football match, probably hampering people who were about to rock up having brought guns to a knife fight. There’s a worry I’d have just frozen.

The reality is I don’t know what I’d have done. And nor does anyone else who hasn’t been in an attack like this.

That seems like a good summary of the reality and conflicts that would have played out in his mind, in real time. And if I get past the headline comments about the bloke being a 'coward', it really is about what comes out of the mental conflicts you describe. Getting out of the car, approaching the murderer, shouting and the like might not have achieved much/anything, but my criticism is the bloke seemed to go for the 'let's get the fuck out of here' option without too much internal conflict. Ultimately, I'd like to have seen some evidence that he really was conflicted and at least thought about helping. His own words to the inquest suggest that wasn't the case.

 

[Spymaster]

Ultimately, I'd like to have seen some evidence that he really was conflicted and at least thought about helping. His own words to the inquest suggest that wasn't the case.

The car from which Mackey instinctively wanted to leap, he told the inquest this week into PC Keith Palmer’s death, before deciding that – as he was in shirtsleeves with no police radio or protective kit ...

A Met chief stayed in his car during an attack. That’s not leadership | Gaby Hinsliff

 

[Wilf]

A Met chief stayed in his car during an attack. That’s not leadership | Gaby Hinsliff

I think she's got it about right, esp. with this:
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t’s horribly unfair to call Craig Mackey a coward, particularly from the safety of civilian armchairs. He made what was in all probability the rational decision. But it does not, somehow, look like the decision of a leader.

 

[Spymaster]

I think she's got it about right, esp. with this:
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I don't. It suggests that, in her view, leaders should make decisions that appear irrational. But that wasn't the point of the post. Rather, that you were mistaken in your understanding of his testimony to the inquest.

 

[Wilf]

I don't. It suggests that, in her view, leaders should make decisions that appear irrational.

Well, I'm not convinced it was a rational decision, beyond of course a rational survival instinct. Seeing some violent attach unfolding in real time, with the possibility it could carry on, move to another location, you need to at least stay around to see if anything can be done (all the aforementioned shouting, distracting, helping restrain the murderer etc.). But the thing about leadership is the core of it for me. He was still an active copper, actually witnessing a murderous attack happening. It's pretty central to the job description that you do something other than leg it in those situations - that's what a copper is supposed to do. Ditto in terms of backing up your colleagues/underlings.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

And how much is he paid? Paid to think on his toes. Paid to make split second judgement calls. He could’ve done anything to hinder that attack. But no, slunk off like the yellow bellied cowardly cunt that he is.

Like that Spymaster ?

 

[Spymaster]

Well, I'm not convinced it was a rational decision, beyond of course a rational survival instinct. Seeing some violent attach unfolding in real time, with the possibility it could carry on, move to another location, you need to at least stay around to see if anything can be done (all the aforementioned shouting, distracting, helping restrain the murderer etc.). But the thing about leadership is the core of it for me. He was still an active copper, actually witnessing a murderous attack happening. It's pretty central to the job description that you do something other than leg it in those situations - that's what a copper is supposed to do. Ditto in terms of backing up your colleagues/underlings.

I disagree but either way that's a shift of the goalposts. First you didn't think that he'd expressed conflict at the inquest at all. When it's pointed out that he has, you're not convinced it was rational.

 

[Spymaster]

And how much is he paid? Paid to think on his toes. Paid to make split second judgement calls. He could’ve done anything to hinder that attack. But no, slunk off like the yellow bellied cowardly cunt that he is.

Like that Spymaster ?

That's more like it!

 

[Wilf]

I disagree but either way that's a shift of the goalposts. First you didn't think that he'd expressed conflict at the inquest at all. When it's pointed out that he has, you're not convinced it was rational.

Okay, well I'll leave the last word to Mr.Bishie

 

[A380]

I’m also weary of the armchair warriors at the Sun who declare people cowards despite the bravest thing they ever do is answer the door to the moped rider who delivers their dinner party coke. Smacks a bit of the toffs who gave out white feathers during the First World War.

 

[DotCommunist]

has everyone agreed he is a massive fanny then?

 

[cupid_stunt]

Spymaster is a complete cunt for making sealion fuck off.

 

[cupid_stunt]

I only posted that, because sealion has scrambled his password, and can't edit his last post nor clarify it.

He's done that, because he has things going on IRL & needs a rest from from urban, he's spoken with spy & they are cool, his break isn't to do with spy, and that he's happy for me to clarify that on here, on his behalf.

But, also said 'more so if it makes spy look bad' - lol, hence my above post.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Oh, apparently, he meant 'more so if it DOES NOT makes spy look bad'.

Oh, well, I think that was clear in post 168, and the one above that was just having a laugh.

 

[editor]

I hope it was worth the wait!

Not the words i used iirc.
Anyway, bringing up and disingenuously using bits from a conversation we had privately over a curry( to score a point) is out of order. I know a handful of people from here in real life and i wouldn't, nor expect them to be using things said in private (whatever the subject) to be splashed across the internet. At this point i think i'll take a rest from this place.

I hope you come back soon!

 

[Wilf]

I've no idea at all what is going on, but I want to put the worst possible construction on it.

 

[dylanredefined]

i would have got arlene foster or another mp and used them as a human shield, thrusting the jihadi back into a corner

Isnt it a war crime to use D.U.P?

 

[Pickman's model]

Isnt it a war crime to use D.U.P?

it's a war crime not to use them thus

 

[kebabking]

it's a war crime not to use them thus

no, War Crime to use them, Crime Against Humanity not to...

 

[A380]

Isnt it a war crime to use D.U.P?

Top munitions based punage.


Almost as good as my bridge gag on the royal wedding thread. Pearls before swine.