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Siouxsie and the Banshees, unappreciated?

Siouxsie and the Banshees at the Albert Hall was my first proper gig that I went to at 14.
It was recorded for the live album "Nocturne" and you can hear me screaming " Robert" just at the end of "Sin in my heart" and just before "Slowdive"
At 3:44- from very far away :D
 
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Get an eyeful of this one:

Like looking at the 30s from the 70s, and it is 44 years so bound to be pretty fuckin strange to us today

They should re-show those old Revolver episodes.

Remember The Stranglers doing Tank on there and it just blew me away as a kid.
 
They should re-show those old Revolver episodes.

Remember The Stranglers doing Tank on there and it just blew me away as a kid.
Don’t know if this might be of interest but there’s some really good stuff shown on here (Guy Garvey aside)

The thing we couldn’t get over was how many kid’s shows had, what now seems, totally inappropriate bands!
 
" song featured the line "Too many Jews for my liking". This, says Siouxsie, was a metaphor for too many fat businessmen waiting to pounce, suck the youth from and cast aside new talent."

so a metaphorical antisemite then

Fat businessmen doesn’t scan so she thoughtlessly and lazily used a casually-anti-semetic byword of the day.

It‘s in keeping with a lot of the more shitty attitudes back then, “different world back then” and all that. Some of the people using those words, exhibiting that behaviour were genuine wrong’uns, some were just being thoughtless, ignorant, foolish, stupid. Being better now is because people made changes, forced change, but the ones who were pushing for change weren’t people like Siouxie. I wouldn’t say she was a mover or shaker, not one of the bright leading lights, she was just a pop star.

She was young, probably pretty conditioned-Suburban-normal under all the glamour, and a woman in a very male environment so no doubt constantly on the back foot with every attempt she made to push forward. This is not to excuse her and those awful lyrics, but to give some context around her bad mistake. No one else around her picked up on the lyrics, from writing to recording to producing, releasing etc. Insofar as “everyone was a bit -ist back then”, does she stand out particularly?

And if you look at her behaviour in the Bill Grundy clip you can see how easily swayed she was, how automatic is was for her to work to fit in. She responds one way and then quick- sharp changes her reaction.
 
This is how I remember it.

Rightly or wrongly, we are judging musicians of forty years ago by today's values.

Anyway, musically Siouxsie and The Banshees were a great band. I haven't listened to them for years but should.

I had close contact with a lot of punks despite being a bit too young to hang out with them at that time and the nazi regalia stuff didn’t really land with me as Nazi or fascism, it was very obviously a shock tactic and a way to say “your values don’t apply to us”. At 11 and 12, that’s how it seemed to me. My parents were immigrants and didn’t have first hand knowledge of the European war so I hadn’t been steeped in that stew. It wasn’t til I did WW2 and fascism at school that I understood.
 
" song featured the line "Too many Jews for my liking". This, says Siouxsie, was a metaphor for too many fat businessmen waiting to pounce, suck the youth from and cast aside new talent."

so a metaphorical antisemite then
Do you have a source for this?

Anywayz, considering the fact that she wrote and performed Israel I don't think we really have anything to worry about.
 
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It's also maybe worth mentioning that although Love In a Void originally contained the lyric "too many Jews", it was subsequently changed to "too many bigots", which is the lyric you will hear on any of the Polydor recordings. It's also been changed to something I can't quite make out for the band's first Peel Session from late 1977, before they were signed to Polydor.



So apparently Siouxsie and/or the band had second thoughts about it very early on.
 
Do you have a source for this?

widely


Anywayz, considering the fact that she wrote and performed Israel I don't think we really have anything to worry about.
Hers is an example of casual antisemtic trope use. It doesnt mean she hates all Jews , it doesnt mean she wouldnt take money from playing in Israel, it doesnt mean she cheered on the holocaust, it means she was stupid enough at the time to go along with stereotypical tropes. Lots of people do it. Story summed it up well above i think.
 
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Hers is an example of casual antisemtic trope use. It doesnt mean she hates all Jews , it doesnt mean she wouldnt take money from playing in Israel, it doesnt mean she cheered on the holocaust, it means she was stupid enough at the time to go along with stereotypical tropes. Lots of people do it. Story summed it up well above i think.
I'm really not sure what your source is supposed to be there.

And are you aware that, at least according to the wikipedia entry for The Scream, Steve Severin rather than Siouxsie is credited for the lyrics to Love In a Void?
 
you win it didnt happen there was never a lyric about "too may jews" and she never explained it away
I'm not saying that at all, but following the link you posted doesn't lead me to anything resembling a source for either the original lyric or your claimed attempt from Siouxsie at explaining it away.

And I notice you've edited out the bit in my post about Steve Severin apparently being the one responsible for the lyrics
 
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