cemertyone said:zoltan69 said:erm...the South are doing quite well enough nowadays witjhout having to inherit the fuckin mess of the North. As much as Eire repeated the Mantra long enough about a united ireland, do you genuinly think they would get involved with the corrupt, devious criminal shitbags ( on both sides ) that control the NI scene ?
fuck off.
Dont deluded yerself, whatever they say down south, they want nothing to do with it now.A higher GDP than the average of the UK and awash with Euro money.........I can see them licking their lips at the thought of inheriting a corrupt gang run stalelet like NI
Grow up- there is no longer an "Irish people" any more than there is an"English people".
Listen fuck wit instead of attacking me...
Secondly, Sherlock there is no such country as EIRE..what part of the past are you living in? oh and now your even speaking for the Irish government are you....
1998 - GFA ? Remember the repblic abandoned it constitutional demands for a united Ireland ? Im hardly breaking secret news here am i ?
Sorry mate, they were fuckin desparate to get rid of that particular burden without losing too much face and the GFA gave them the opportunity to escape & start afresh.
And to tour wild expectations about the less than lily white SF's future - do you really think that the fat rich South wants any part of the sad old proto marxist guff that still drips from the mouths of the increasingly shrill souding hard line orthodox republicans ?
come on, not even you truly think that.
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cemertyone
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zoltan69 said:
Subjective , unsubstantiated , inward looking rubbish. Pleawe dont take the piss out of us - and please dont pass off opinions and prophesy as "fact" - this makes a mockery of any serious point you may have to make - beneath the Stalinist monotone of loyalty.
". S.F. is now the largest party on the whole of the island.
2. The next general election in the republic will see them make very considerable inroads into the other parties support base there. And perhaps take up the balance of power in the Dail.
3. S.F. are now the largest party representing nationalists in the north and look set to obiderate the S.D.L.P. and confine them to history."
how the FUCK can you make sweeping statments like the above ? You say you are at/ went to University ? what kind of fuckin university ? maybe the same one that Dr Gillian McKeith or Dr. Ian Paisley go their PHD's from maybe.
". S.F. is now the largest party on the whole of the island.
2. The next general election in the republic will see them make very considerable inroads into the other parties support base there. And perhaps take up the balance of power in the Dail.
3. S.F. are now the largest party representing nationalists in the north and look set to obiderate the S.D.L.P. and confine them to history."
how the FUCK can you make sweeping statments like the above ? You say you are at/ went to University ? what kind of fuckin university ? maybe the same one that Dr Gillian McKeith or Dr. Ian Paisley go their PHD's from maybe.
cemertyone said:zoltan69 said:erm...the South are doing quite well enough nowadays witjhout having to inherit the fuckin mess of the North. As much as Eire repeated the Mantra long enough about a united ireland, do you genuinly think they would get involved with the corrupt, devious criminal shitbags ( on both sides ) that control the NI scene ?
fuck off.
Dont deluded yerself, whatever they say down south, they want nothing to do with it now.A higher GDP than the average of the UK and awash with Euro money.........I can see them licking their lips at the thought of inheriting a corrupt gang run stalelet like NI
Grow up- there is no longer an "Irish people" any more than there is an"English people".
Listen fuck wit instead of attacking me...
Secondly, Sherlock there is no such country as EIRE..what part of the past are you living in? oh and now your even speaking for the Irish government are you....
Cemy, that's inspired!
Just one thing though, don't you think it would have lent more weight to your argument if you'd put three
Tool.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
was joking with a friend from dublin his view was "why the hell would the south want the poisonous mess of the north at the moment" 
not intrested when we offered the falkland islands as well well there cold and it rains all the time perfect match
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its not like we are going to have a massive influx of unionist refugees on the mainland there staying put even if we have to nail there feet to the floor
not intrested when we offered the falkland islands as well well there cold and it rains all the time perfect match
.its not like we are going to have a massive influx of unionist refugees on the mainland there staying put even if we have to nail there feet to the floor
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
Usual Slagging Match
Sorry to interupt the usual slagging match, but I thought that this thread was around the assasination of Donaldson.
No one has brought up(as far as I can comprehend) the advantages of the British State assasinating him. If he's going to admit to SF( and by that the provos) that he was an agent, what other gems of wisdom is he going to come out with.
In the period after the GFA elements within the Provisional Republican movemment were eager to engender a movement of reconciliation, similar to that of South Africa, even inviting delegations from that 'terrorist' gang the ANC to give advice in this dialogue. As far as I am aware the main stumbling block was not Loyalists, but the British State.
With cotroversies, such as the Bloody Sunday Enquiry at the Guilford Hall Derry, touts like Kevin Faculty bringing up unusual controversies surrounding the Omagh Bombing; Is'nt this a message for informants and double agents to keep Stum!!!!!
I am sincerely distressed to hear about Rerpublicans bombing Buddhists, obviously their were attrocities and wrong doings commited on all sides, however I find it difficult to believe that the Provo's would take such an action against Buddhists or even people because they are just Protestant, could you give me more details on this case.
Cathal, which way now for the IRSP'S, there has always been talk about building a United Front with other Left Wing/Pro Working Class Groups. With the faliure of Eamon McAnns(SWP) initiative, and your apparent dialogue with Loyalist Groups, who claim to have a Trade Unionist, Left Wing, Socialist, Democratic etc. agenda. Could a broad based pro working class party/movement develop in the North and possibly the whole of Ireland. Especially with recent events cutting across the sectarian divide link the recent Postal Strike?????? 
Sorry to interupt the usual slagging match, but I thought that this thread was around the assasination of Donaldson.
No one has brought up(as far as I can comprehend) the advantages of the British State assasinating him. If he's going to admit to SF( and by that the provos) that he was an agent, what other gems of wisdom is he going to come out with.
In the period after the GFA elements within the Provisional Republican movemment were eager to engender a movement of reconciliation, similar to that of South Africa, even inviting delegations from that 'terrorist' gang the ANC to give advice in this dialogue. As far as I am aware the main stumbling block was not Loyalists, but the British State.
With cotroversies, such as the Bloody Sunday Enquiry at the Guilford Hall Derry, touts like Kevin Faculty bringing up unusual controversies surrounding the Omagh Bombing; Is'nt this a message for informants and double agents to keep Stum!!!!!
I am sincerely distressed to hear about Rerpublicans bombing Buddhists, obviously their were attrocities and wrong doings commited on all sides, however I find it difficult to believe that the Provo's would take such an action against Buddhists or even people because they are just Protestant, could you give me more details on this case.
Cathal, which way now for the IRSP'S, there has always been talk about building a United Front with other Left Wing/Pro Working Class Groups. With the faliure of Eamon McAnns(SWP) initiative, and your apparent dialogue with Loyalist Groups, who claim to have a Trade Unionist, Left Wing, Socialist, Democratic etc. agenda. Could a broad based pro working class party/movement develop in the North and possibly the whole of Ireland. Especially with recent events cutting across the sectarian divide link the recent Postal Strike??????
cemertyone
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Nigel said:I am sincerely distressed to hear about Rerpublicans bombing Buddhists, obviously their were attrocities and wrong doings commited on all sides, however I find it difficult to believe that the Provo's would take such an action against Buddhists or even people because they are just Protestant, could you give me more details on this case.
Yeah i asked the same question of our buddhist friend and she got so upset that i didn`t believe her she put me on ignore ( the cheek of it!). As i explained to her at the time if she comes her saying that " Republicans had bombed her out of her house because she`s a buddhist" she`s gonna get questioned about it. And after spending all weekend trying to find such an event or incidence ( which i could not) i`ve a tendency not to believe her...
Nigel said:
At the risk of further annoying Cem1, our little republican wannabe troll, I will just say again, this one time, that I will not give details about myself or where I live/lived on a public MB.
It happened to my family - I was there - believe it or not - it's of no consequence to me.
cemertyone
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ZAMB said:
Idris2002
Stay Alive in '25
There's already talk in the south of the celtic tiger extending over the border. That assumes that the southern boom is sustainable of course.
And SF are likely to hold the balance of power in the next dail. The establishment parties sold the people out a long time ago.
A cousin of mine in Dublin told me the following story; a neighbour of hers, an old man living on his own, was being harassed by the local yobs. He had to go to the police over it, so presumably it was worse than kids ringing the door bell and running off.
The police basically told him to get lost (in the south right now, if you don't have money, you're nothing). So he went to his local Sinn Fein office, who had a word with the yobs families. I don't know what they said to them, but given that the harassment stopped over night, it's not hard to guess what they did say to them. You can bet that guy is going to vote SF the next time around, and he's going to tell all his friends and neighbours to do so as well.
Back on the subject of reunification. The whole peace process and GFA is based on the assumption that the NI state can be reformed in order to make it acceptable to both communities. But what if the nature of the society is such that it cannot be reformed? Then some alternative arrangement would have to be found - like reunification.
And SF are likely to hold the balance of power in the next dail. The establishment parties sold the people out a long time ago.
A cousin of mine in Dublin told me the following story; a neighbour of hers, an old man living on his own, was being harassed by the local yobs. He had to go to the police over it, so presumably it was worse than kids ringing the door bell and running off.
The police basically told him to get lost (in the south right now, if you don't have money, you're nothing). So he went to his local Sinn Fein office, who had a word with the yobs families. I don't know what they said to them, but given that the harassment stopped over night, it's not hard to guess what they did say to them. You can bet that guy is going to vote SF the next time around, and he's going to tell all his friends and neighbours to do so as well.
Back on the subject of reunification. The whole peace process and GFA is based on the assumption that the NI state can be reformed in order to make it acceptable to both communities. But what if the nature of the society is such that it cannot be reformed? Then some alternative arrangement would have to be found - like reunification.
Good post Idris2002 but as Sin Fein hold 5 seats at present they're goning to have to work hard to increase their share of the vote and translate that into seats. Notonly holding 5 existing seats but gaining around 12-15. Wherabouts in the country can you see them making significant gains to become the balance of power party? Granted Sinn Fein have seen increased support but at present I'm finding it hard to see how they can increase their vote so much.
cemertyone
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Fledgling said:
Well i would imagine that they will attempt to replicate ( to a certain degree) what they have done so successfully in the North. What i mean by that is that they will concentrate on local issues such as housing / policing and other community based concerns. I believe that F.F. and F.G. are in for a shock at the next election for many reasons but mainly because there has always been a very large constituency of Catholics both North and South who while the IRA continued their campaign would have never voted for S.F. for any number of reasons..religious/political etc . However, that hurdle has been removed and they will now able to tap into that area i believe very successfully.
Its about keeping thier politics focused on the local while aspiring to influence at the national level.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
cem (or anyone else on this thread, it doesnt really matter) where do you think the situation in northern ireland is heading at the second? i dont really know much about it at all, so this probably sounds really stupid, and i need to read up on it really, but i've heard some stuff thats quite worrying, that the conflict is escalating, that bombs are being found, and that alot of it is coming from the loyalists and republican dissidents and that. of course we only really know what people in the media want us to hear so a lot of it might be bollocks, but i'd just like to know where it's all heading in your opinion ...
likesfish
You can't park here sir
theres enough shitheads on both sides ready to kick off
repbulicans have been caught making a bomb.
and unionist thugs have just forced a widow of a prison officer out of her home and attacked the police when they turned up .
so far neither side has started sectarian murders again but I think gordons "peace dividend" from bringing the troops home and cutting the royal irish home battalions maybe premature .
repbulicans have been caught making a bomb.
and unionist thugs have just forced a widow of a prison officer out of her home and attacked the police when they turned up
.so far neither side has started sectarian murders again but I think gordons "peace dividend" from bringing the troops home and cutting the royal irish home battalions maybe premature
.cemertyone
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TeeJay said:
As per usual...your comments are idiot/childish and based on ignorance of the actual. If you actually had anything interesting to say and if you actually had a clue about what you where talking about i might engage with you..but its obvious that you don`t.
Now of you go back to the firing range...
cemertyone
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likesfish said:without the unionists on side your just setting up troubles 11 even bloody and nastier
Theres no way the british could risk that
and by some miracle the UK gov went screw this the cletic tiger would implode if civil war broke out in the north
What a brillant analysis from our resident political correspondent...
cemertyone said:
Do you think that Fianna Fail's attempt to set up in the north will allow them to make inroads there? If, as certain posters have suggested, the violence has been resurgent, might not people go over to another nationalist party which is not a world away from Sinn Fein, thus affecting Sinn Fein's influence in the north?
likesfish
You can't park here sir
cemetry
a very large number of people who live in NI are employed by the UK civil service where are there jobs going if reunification happens?
paisley and his gang of orange thugs don't see them disappearing anytime soon
couple of thousand ira volunteers turned NI into a war zone. th loyalists could eaisily get that number on the streets the Irish defence forces would be overwhelmed especially as the Orange war plan would be to get the taigs
you might just scrape together a 60% vote for reunification but how would it work with a minority violently opposed and prepared to use violence?
the british goverment did'nt militarly defeat the ira how'd you think the irish defence forces would fare
a very large number of people who live in NI are employed by the UK civil service where are there jobs going if reunification happens?
paisley and his gang of orange thugs don't see them disappearing anytime soon
couple of thousand ira volunteers turned NI into a war zone. th loyalists could eaisily get that number on the streets the Irish defence forces would be overwhelmed especially as the Orange war plan would be to get the taigs
you might just scrape together a 60% vote for reunification but how would it work with a minority violently opposed and prepared to use violence?
the british goverment did'nt militarly defeat the ira how'd you think the irish defence forces would fare
cemertyone
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Fledgling said:
I seriously think that F.F. have not got a chance in making any in roads upon nationalists in the North. They abdicated their responsibilites a long time ago and as a consequence they have very little chance of making in roads there. I suspect that what this is about is allowing them to claim that along side S.F. they are a truly all-Ireland party but it will amount to nothing in my view.
Both F.F. and F.G. are very concerned at the impact that S.F. are having upon the electorate in the South.
There is ( i believe) very little chance of the majority of nationalists in the North moving en mass to any other political party. The S.D.L.P. are in terminal decline and i don`t believe they posse any threat to the continuing rise of S.F.
cemertyone
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likesfish said:cemetry
a very large number of people who live in NI are employed by the UK civil service where are there jobs going if reunification happens?
paisley and his gang of orange thugs don't see them disappearing anytime soon
couple of thousand ira volunteers turned NI into a war zone. th loyalists could eaisily get that number on the streets the Irish defence forces would be overwhelmed especially as the Orange war plan would be to get the taigs
you might just scrape together a 60% vote for reunification but how would it work with a minority violently opposed and prepared to use violence?
the british goverment did'nt militarly defeat the ira how'd you think the irish defence forces would fare
Granted that there are a significant numbers of people employed by the U.K. government in N-Ireland but that in itself is not an insurmountable problem ( it will merly be a stage of transitional employment trends). As is the case with most service related industries these people`s skills and experience can ( and no doubt will) be transferred to other service sector work..Perhaps N-Ireland will become the call centre capitial of the Euuropean Union.
As regards the unionist population taking up arms to prevent ( the undoubted) reunification of the country i find that very hard to believe that it will come to pass.
Firstly, because the process of re-unification is going to be a slow inclimental process. There are not going to be significant and monumental movements over night, rather its going to be a gradual process which will co-opt the more forward thinking elements of unionism into the process. This is already begining to happen vis a vi the unionists taking part for the first time in the British/Irish parliamentary group this week ( the first such action on their part for a very long time)...
And there are signs of other more moderate unionists realising that in terms of economics the context of an all ireland concept is much to their benifit.
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
Well that sounds a sane approach .Wish you luck in convincing the loyalists
hopefully the die hards will be reduced to old blokes in a pub . Unfortunatly dont see it happening anytime soon .
hopefully the die hards will be reduced to old blokes in a pub . Unfortunatly dont see it happening anytime soon .
cemertyone
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dylanredefined said:Well that sounds a sane approach .Wish you luck in convincing the loyalists
hopefully the die hards will be reduced to old blokes in a pub . Unfortunatly dont see it happening anytime soon .
God works in mysterious ways....
goddness knows even Fanta might at some time in the future acknowledge his " irishness"....LOL
