Sinn Fein British agent shot dead

[ZAMB]

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[likesfish]

I'm sorry that happened secetarian fuckwits

 

[cemertyone]

The Provos did not exist back then - and, as far as the civil rights movement went, it is the republicans who are trying to rewrite history to give themselves a more heroic role.



No, my family were bombed out of our house by the IRA. We lived in a republican area, but as Buddhists, we sent our child to a state school. I guess they thought we were protestants - though, if they'd bothered asking anyone in our street they could have found out. This is the sort of person you support - that would plant bombs outside a house with a child in it for no reason and with no warning.
That was only the last of a number of near misses that we had - all instigated by republicans. We were pacifists - of no threat to anyone. So you can't impress me with your republican victim crap.

WTF are you talking about when you say " The provo`s didn`t exist then " (i presume you mean to say is that they didn`t enjoy the strenght of support that they currently do... Again i would say that its comments like that that really show your total ignorance of what was occuring during that time in areas such as the Falls..its belies a total lack of knowledge of both the republican movement in general and the growing nationalism of catholics in particular..
Oh and by the way when and where were you " bombed" out of your home???
i would be interested to hear some details about that......its sounds like nonsense......what year in particular and what area???

 

[cemertyone]

Oh and if any one is playing the " Victim" crap i would suggest its you with your " We where bombed out of our home by the IRA" et al.It all sounds a bit like REVOL68`s claim that she was bombed out of her house by loyalists...only to find in fact she wasn`t even there there the night this was alleged to have happenend......the smell of fish keeps rising.
I note however that while you claim to have been involved with the civil rights movement not a word have we heard from you about your particapition in that movement and your complete and utter lack of knowledge of what occuried during that time leads me to believe your full of shit.
So pray tell....enlighten me with your contribution to what you did during that time?
Facts sherlock facts are what counts here...and so far, apart from your allegations..( and i can think of not a single incident during the 68-72 era that would support your assertion that you where bombed out by the IRA) your have been sorly lacking in them.....here`s your chance to rectify that....

 

[cemertyone]

You wouldn't be suggesting that I'm in some sort of danger from this London-based armchair terrorist, would you?

Oh i`m so hurt about you calling me an " Armchair terrorist"....its the same shit that the few squaddies who come here keep saying....( and then subsequentially posted on the Army Rumour Service..called me). And guess what all those hard boys who threatened to come round and sort me out.
When i posted my full address..phone number ( both on this site and theirs) not a single cunt came to do what they promised they where going to. Infact i even guarenteed to to come and meet them at a place and time of THIER choosing....not a fucking peep.

 

[cathal marcs]

Oh i`m so hurt about you calling me an " Armchair terrorist"....its the same shit that the few squaddies who come here keep saying....( and then subsequentially posted on the Army Rumour Service..called me). And guess what all those hard boys who threatened to come round and sort me out.
When i posted my full address..phone number ( both on this site and theirs) not a single cunt came to do what they promised they where going to. Infact i even guarenteed to to come and meet them at a place and time of THIER choosing....not a fucking peep.

They were all playing warhammer

 

[likesfish]

your last years centuarys model.
irish just not arabic enough lose the berat and the sunglasses
need a beard shemargh and a copy of the koran to be taken seriously these days

 

[ZAMB]

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[TAE]

Paraphrase:

Shane McGowan = English public school system = UK security services.

LOL, that's a good one!

 

[cemertyone]

You aren't forthcoming with any facts about yourself duckie, you just attack other people who actually live here. Where did I say that the bombing happened between 68-72? It didn't!!!!! The police/security forces managed to defuse the bombs, but we had to leave our house and move to another area under the SPED scheme . Why should I give you any facts about who I am and where I lived then or now?? The story is true and I couldn't give a rat's ass whether you believe me or not. You have a nerve asking me for facts about my life when you don't even have the courage to live in NI - someone might throw a waterbomb on your cowardly head.

As for your nasty PM, the reason I didn't reply before now is that my computer was turned off - I don't spend my whole life in front of it - are you related to RY by any chance - you slag off other people but protect your own ass. Please refrain from PM-ing me again.

First off young lady..i did not attack any one. It was you who came to these boards telling all and sundre " That you where involved with the Civil Rights movement" etc etc and when i challenged you to explain what your participation actually entailed you clammed up and where unable to do so. Futher more, it was obvious from your posts that you had not the slightest knowledge or understanding of any of the groups ( or indeed individuals) involved in that campaign. Which lead me to believe you where full of shit.
In addition, you alleged that the Provos " bombed you out off your house" and now i see from your last post that in actual fact that it was not one bomb as stated in your initial post but now its meta morphisised into " Bombs" ( as in pural ). that would lead me to believe that either.
1. You had a very, very big house that would require several bombs to destroy it..( hardly likely if as you allege you lived in a Catholic area) Or
2. You happenend to live in an area where "bombs where placed" which hardly amounts to you " being bombed out of your house" as you initially alleged.
As for your remark that i " just attack people who live there"...well when you come to these boards making the false claims that you do you should expect some critism in return.
Oh and for the record im` here in london because i was attending university and the course i wanted was here ( is that o.k for you)...
lastly as a BUDHIST i would have thought that throwing bombs ( even waterbombs) would have been against your philosphey....esp in light of your own bombing "experiences".......what a joker!!!!!!

 

[ZAMB]

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[cemertyone]

You are the ultimate repugnican - afraid of a water balloon!!
WOW!!
I doubt if dropping one on you would damage my karma too much and hey, I'd take the risk.

If you knew anything about how these bombs were placed back then - it was one large bomb surrounded by about a dozen petrol bombs for max effect - and it was left outside our back door - couldn't get much closer without breaking in to the house.

Your pompous, nasty posts aren't worth replying to - you little self-important jerk. There is no point in me writing anything more about my own experiences when you do nothing but sneer at them. I was there in the 60s and 70's - you weren't!! You just spout the republican version of history without having lived through it.

Sweetie your in danger of losing your bud-heist karma with all that name calling!!!
Oh and i lived on the Falls Road from 1963 onwards and then in Andytown and then Poleglass from the 70`s onwards so that rather shoots your assumptions of me down in flames.
As for your experiences with the IRA ( which i`m willing to believe MAY have happenend but without verification its just your take on those events ). When you come here alleging that you have been bombed out of your house......people here wanna see the evidence. There have been many like you alleging such stuff but when asked to give details or verify that it occuried...it all goes quite you see.
Now i would maybe suggest you get out your buddhist josh sticks, do some youdic chanting and clam yourself down.
Love always CEM

 

[cemertyone]

Who did he 'send to their deaths'? I thought he worked for SF not the IRA?

Sounds like you are the type of person who deserves a fucking bullet frankly - someone who loves murder and terrorism and doesn't value human life or the idea of democracy over armed thuggery.

Pathetic.

I would refer the right honourable gentleman to todays Telegraph...
Britains spy in IRA was killed as revenge for SAS ambush

Irish police suspect that Donaldson may have been killed to avenge the 1987 shooting of Jim Lynagh and 7 other provisionals....Security sources confirmed that this was their main line of inquiry.....
So T-head would you care to respond to your silly post i see you say you value democracy over armed thuggery i presume by armed thugs you mean your troops that have occupied Ireland for the last 300 years...

 

[TeeJay]

I would refer the right honourable gentleman to todays Telegraph...
Britains spy in IRA was killed as revenge for SAS ambush

Irish police suspect that Donaldson may have been killed to avenge the 1987 shooting of Jim Lynagh and 7 other provisionals....Security sources confirmed that this was their main line of inquiry.....
So T-head would you care to respond to your silly post i see you say you value democracy over armed thuggery i presume by armed thugs you mean your troops that have occupied Ireland for the last 300 years...

Whoop-i-dee-doo the daily fucking telegraph quoting "security sources"?

I bet there are plenty of people who are just loving seeing the "other side" turn on each other and start blasting each others heads off.

Maybe they are going to keep pouring a bit of fuel on the fire for years to come, and just sit by and watch them all murder each other.

And maybe idiotic cunts like you are going to be sitting on the sidelines cheering as each head explodes in a puff of blood and brains?

Until it happens to you maybe?

Do you think that all murderers deserve the bullet? Is this what should happen instead of early release and amnesties? In fact fuck it - you just want to start up a full on war again maybe? After all I bet you have a whole long list of people who desrve to be killed, and why stop at that - why not just start bombing underground stations again? You won't have far to travel and if you really believed in your cause maybe you'd blow yourself up while you're at it?

You are tiresome little shit. Go play soldiers in a war zone somewhere, fuck off and leave everyone else to get on with their lives in peace ... but no, I see you want to label it as "my" soldiers occupying "your" land for 300 years. Pathetic.

 

[cemertyone]

You are tiresome little shit. Go play soldiers in a war zone somewhere, fuck off and leave everyone else to get on with their lives in peace ... but no, I see you want to label it as "my" soldiers occupying "your" land for 300 years. Pathetic.

Listen my little love your personel opinion of me does not matter one single bit...what matters here is facts.
But what we do know was that Donaldson was a tout for more than 20 years informing on his comrades and he got what he deserved.
You claimed in your post that no one knew why he had been shot.....and now we do..he was repsosible for the information that resulted in the deaths of sevenb fellow republicans and for that ( and he knew this well) there was only one option.
now you can slag the " security correspondants" from the Telegraph all you like..but there connections into the security appartaus are impecable..Not only that but that line of investigation is the same one being carried by the Irish police and there seems no doubt that he was responsible for that and many more.

 

[fanta]

Listen my little love your personel opinion of me does not matter one single bit...what matters here is facts.
But what we do know was that Donaldson was a tout for more than 20 years informing on his comrades and he got what he deserved.
You claimed in your post that no one knew why he had been shot.....and now we do..he was repsosible for the information that resulted in the deaths of sevenb fellow republicans and for that ( and he knew this well) there was only one option.
now you can slag the " security correspondants" from the Telegraph all you like..but there connections into the security appartaus are impecable..Not only that but that line of investigation is the same one being carried by the Irish police and there seems no doubt that he was responsible for that and many more.

You're a right silly cunt sometimes Cemy.

 

[TeeJay]

Listen my little love your personel opinion of me does not matter one single bit...what matters here is facts.
But what we do know was that Donaldson was a tout for more than 20 years informing on his comrades and he got what he deserved.
You claimed in your post that no one knew why he had been shot.....and now we do..he was repsosible for the information that resulted in the deaths of sevenb fellow republicans and for that ( and he knew this well) there was only one option.
now you can slag the " security correspondants" from the Telegraph all you like..but there connections into the security appartaus are impecable..Not only that but that line of investigation is the same one being carried by the Irish police and there seems no doubt that he was responsible for that and many more.

Wow! So now you have decided to start to believe what anonymous security sources feed the Daily Telegraph?

"But what we do know was that Donaldson was a tout for more than 20 years informing on his comrades and he got what he deserved. You claimed in your post that no one knew why he had been shot.....and now we do..he was repsosible for the information that resulted in the deaths of sevenb fellow republicans"

You don't "know" this at all. You have been fed a line and have chosen to believe it. I suppose this is one advantage of dealing with murderous filth - they can maybe be persuaded to turn on each other and rip each other apart from the inside, in some lunatic internal bloodbath, while others sit by laughing at them and racking up political points.

The Irish police have to follow any 'lines of enquiry' that come up - and if they are being fed a line they are obliged to follow it up, especially if that's all they have at the moment.

I notice that you have failed to answer the question about whether you support a continued armed struggle.

Do you?

 

[Fledgling]

One that has been carefully groomed into the british population by the governing elite.

Or possibly one that has been groomed into the Brtish people by a mainland bombing campaign injuring dozens of innocent people and daily pictures of bombings in the province injuring 00s. This thread has seen you refuse so far to acknowledge TeeJay's point about your labelling the conflict between "our" soldiers occupying "your" land. Where do unionist civilians born in NI fit into your view, are they occupying the land? What about the bombing campaigns on the mainland, how is that a justified response to supposed occupation? How come everyone who has disagreed with you so far been labelled as ignorant of the current situation and the historical context? Plenty of people are aware of the violence across the whole country and would like some explanation from people trying to justify that.

 

[zoltan]

Wow! So now you have decided to start to believe what anonymous security sources feed the Daily Telegraph?

"But what we do know was that Donaldson was a tout for more than 20 years informing on his comrades and he got what he deserved. You claimed in your post that no one knew why he had been shot.....and now we do..he was repsosible for the information that resulted in the deaths of sevenb fellow republicans"

You don't "know" this at all. You have been fed a line and have chosen to believe it. I suppose this is one advantage of dealing with murderous filth - they can maybe be persuaded to turn on each other and rip each other apart from the inside, in some lunatic internal bloodbath, while others sit by laughing at them and racking up political points.

The Irish police have to follow any 'lines of enquiry' that come up - and if they are being fed a line they are obliged to follow it up, especially if that's all they have at the moment.

I notice that you have failed to answer the question about whether you support a continued armed struggle.

Do you?

Cem.

As I said earlier - youve been mugged by your so called leaders. Thyey are laughing at every one who still churns out the stilted, turgid and Vitriolic republican party line bile mate.

For someone coming uo to the big 40, you do seem to be very niave & trusting.

 

[likesfish]

but another 30 or 40 years of bloodshed and we will have the brits on the run honest .
may ira have been advising the pentagon with there middle east policy

 

[cemertyone]

Or possibly one that has been groomed into the Brtish people by a mainland bombing campaign injuring dozens of innocent people and daily pictures of bombings in the province injuring 00s. This thread has seen you refuse so far to acknowledge TeeJay's point about your labelling the conflict between "our" soldiers occupying "your" land. Where do unionist civilians born in NI fit into your view, are they occupying the land? What about the bombing campaigns on the mainland, how is that a justified response to supposed occupation? How come everyone who has disagreed with you so far been labelled as ignorant of the current situation and the historical context? Plenty of people are aware of the violence across the whole country and would like some explanation from people trying to justify that.

Its a conflict between two very contrasting ideas of what constitues Nation..nationhood and state. For me the unionists are no different than the Isreali settlers in the occupied terrorities...but there there now and we have to deal with the facts on the ground as they are. They are an element in the equation but nothing more than that and there days of exercising a veto of the entire political process are dead and buried.
They either learn to accept that the old status qou of " no surrender" is over and engage with the new politics of the situation or they get by passed and left behind.
As for the " Bombing campaign" on the mainland..well.. if it where not for that bombing campaign then we would not be in the situation that we currently find ourselves in. You have to remember that prior to the bombs at Carney Warf and in the city of London and at Manchester the government was prepared to accept an " acceptable level of violence" but only as long as that could be contained within N-Ireland itself. After those bombs ( which forced the U.K. government to step in and act as an " Insurer of last resort") the " Business community esp in London made serious representations to the U.K. government that if this campaign continued that the staus of London as a safe and secure place to do business was fading fast as many financial instituations where activley preparing to move there industires to Frankfurt or other European destinations..its was a question of simple economics..I think it was ( and remains so to this day) a very justified response to there polices in N-Ireland. Its all about costing the Uk tax payer so much money ( and not just framed in economic terms but also phscological) that the cost to them outstrips the nedd to continue their occupation.
As for " dis-agreeing" with every one on the rights and wrongs of what has (and is) occuring in N-Ireland and every where else..i thought that was the purpose of a bulletain board..to agree..to disagree..and even to get upset..
Bcak soon of to lunch

 

[tim]

Its a conflict between two very contrasting ideas of what constitues Nation..nationhood and state. For me the unionists are no different than the Isreali settlers in the occupied terrorities...but there there now and we have to deal with the facts on the ground as they are.

What is your concept of nationhood? What makes nationalists?Republicans?Catholics somehow more purely Irish that Unionists/Loyalists/Protestants (part of a tradition that has existed in Ireland for 400 +years). Do you believe in the racist fantasy of some pure Irish bloodline? Given the fact that if you go back 400 years in your family tree you'll find up to a million direct ancestors, I'm sure you'll find their is more than a little "settler" blood coursing through your veins.

 

[cemertyone]

What is your concept of nationhood? What makes nationalists?Republicans?Catholics somehow more purely Irish that Unionists/Loyalists/Protestants (part of a tradition that has existed in Ireland for 400 +years). Do you believe in the racist fantasy of some pure Irish bloodline? Given the fact that if you go back 400 years in your family tree you'll find up to a million direct ancestors, I'm sure you'll find their is more than a little "settler" blood coursing through your veins.

Well let`s start from the top down then shall we....
I think that even you may agree that the vast majority of unionist/protestant people DO NOTconsider themselves in any way shape form or manner Irish ( except when there abroad of course) and that`s fine that`s their perogitive. I don`t believe for a second that there citizenship of our country is any less valid than mine, its a fact on the ground and will have to be dealt with..However, what i do object to is thier stranglehold on the political process which ( in their minds ) seems to indicate that anything that their political representitives object to ( interms of political advacements for the general good) is somehow sacrocent and their refusal to engage means that they can maintain an impasse on the political process.
They represent a small minority on the island as a whole and weather they like it or not we are moving into an all-Ireland process and either they come on board are are left behind.
I do not believe in some pure blood line ( as you suggest) but i do believe that it is down to the Irish people as a whole ( free from the machinations of Westminister) to determine the path and future of our country...not a small pampered elite who have previously benifetted from the divide and rule culture that has been so prevelvent through out the history of the British empire.....

 

[cemertyone]

You're a right silly cunt sometimes Cemy.

I will respond to your posts when you actually have some thing to say,rather than add silly little asides from the corners....

 

[cemertyone]

but another 30 or 40 years of bloodshed and we will have the brits on the run honest .
may ira have been advising the pentagon with there middle east policy

There`s no need for another 30 / 40 years of bloodshed ( as you imply) in ten years time S.F. will be the biggest party in the North and the South and what has not been possible through violence ( and that violence was needed to take us thus far) will be gained through politcal activity.
And the legacy of the English disease of divide and rule will be castigated into the realms of history and for the first time in 300 years it will be us ( the Irish people) and not the colonialists from Westminister who will determine the fate of our nation.....

 

[zoltan]

There`s no need for another 30 / 40 years of bloodshed ( as you imply) in ten years time S.F. will be the biggest party in the North and the South and what has not been possible through violence ( and that violence was needed to take us thus far) will be gained through politcal activity.
And the legacy of the English disease of divide and rule will be castigated into the realms of history and for the first time in 300 years it will be us ( the Irish people) and not the colonialists from Westminister who will determine the fate of our nation.....

erm...the South are doing quite well enough nowadays witjhout having to inherit the fuckin mess of the North. As much as Eire repeated the Mantra long enough about a united ireland, do you genuinly think they would get involved with the corrupt, devious criminal shitbags ( on both sides ) that control the NI scene ?

fuck off.

Dont deluded yerself, whatever they say down south, they want nothing to do with it now.A higher GDP than the average of the UK and awash with Euro money.........I can see them licking their lips at the thought of inheriting a corrupt gang run stalelet like NI

Grow up- there is no longer an "Irish people" any more than there is an"English people".

Unoriginal tired, worn out old toss that you reapeat endlessly, as is trying to convince yourself that it is relevant.

 

[fanta]

I will respond to your posts when you actually have some thing to say,rather than add silly little asides from the corners....

Coming from the bwave widdle soldier who types from the safety of his PC such thoughtful contributions such as:....like fuck..One bullet... one tout..one country lane..

Priceless.

 

[ZAMB]

Cem.

As I said earlier - youve been mugged by your so called leaders. Thyey are laughing at every one who still churns out the stilted, turgid and Vitriolic republican party line bile mate.

For someone coming uo to the big 40, you do seem to be very niave & trusting.

Just one important point.
Cem is a fraud. He claimed in an earlier post "i lived on the Falls Road from 1963" but if you look at his profile he wasn't even born until 1967. [neat trick that, living somewhere 4 years before you're even born!!] He'd have still been in nappies at the time of the civil rights protests he 'claims' to have been involved in.

And don't waste time thowing a lot of vitriol my way, because "cemertyone This user is on your Ignore List." so I won't even see it.

 

[cemertyone]

erm...the South are doing quite well enough nowadays witjhout having to inherit the fuckin mess of the North. As much as Eire repeated the Mantra long enough about a united ireland, do you genuinly think they would get involved with the corrupt, devious criminal shitbags ( on both sides ) that control the NI scene ?

fuck off.

Dont deluded yerself, whatever they say down south, they want nothing to do with it now.A higher GDP than the average of the UK and awash with Euro money.........I can see them licking their lips at the thought of inheriting a corrupt gang run stalelet like NI

Grow up- there is no longer an "Irish people" any more than there is an"English people".

Listen fuck wit instead of attacking me... you might do well to look at the results of the last election in the Irish Republic and see just what gains and inroads S.F. have had upon the electorate there...We are now the biggest all Ireland party and in ten years time will dominate the political landscape of the whole country both North and South.Now it might stick in your throat that that may be the case....but thats the way its headed.
Secondly, Sherlock there is no such country as EIRE..what part of the past are you living in? oh and now your even speaking for the Irish government are you....

 

[cemertyone]

Just one important point.
Cem is a fraud. He claimed in an earlier post "i lived on the Falls Road from 1963" but if you look at his profile he wasn't even born until 1967. [neat trick that, living somewhere 4 years before you're even born!!] He'd have still been in nappies at the time of the civil rights protests he 'claims' to have been involved in.

And don't waste time thowing a lot of vitriol my way, because "cemertyone This user is on your Ignore List." so I won't even see it.

Listen you silly little girl..
If there is any one here who`s a FRAUD its you.....you claimed " your where involved in the Civil Rights movement" and when challenged to explain you resorted to generalities and you had not a clue about either what occuried during that time or indeed the main actors during that phase of the troubles.I have already explained to you privately ( via the P.M.sytem) if you thing that `im gonna post details here about me personally on my profile when this site is monotoried by the Special Branch..your dreaming
But feel free to question me about any of the areas i`ve said i`ve lived in...as for being on your ignore list...thank fuck for that....its people like you who claim to have donr things which quite clearly they have not that are the frauds here...