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Sinead O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus

butchersapron

blood on the walls
Madonna sold out? Who or what did she sell out? What do you think she was doing before that book? I don't know anyone who bought it either.
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
Madonna is perhaps a different kettle of fish. I get the impression she is fully in control of her career and always has been. If anything I think her output got better after the Sex era - she has released some cracking music since then.
 

Cheesypoof

Fuck off Noddy
Banned
Madonna sold out? Who or what did she sell out? What do you think she was doing before that book? I don't know anyone who bought it either.
she always used her sexuality to advance her career but at the time the Sex book was considered over the top...wouldnt surprise anyone now cos acting like a stripper is standard for many female singers.
 
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T & P

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nothing. Shes an old whoorbag with only a teeny weeny sickly bit of talent anyway.
If we are prepared to consider the notion that pop singers can be talented, I would put it to you that Madonna is one of the most talented artists of her genre of all time, and a cut above 98% of her peers.
 

Kid_Eternity

"You might be a lord but here comes the king."
If we are prepared to consider the notion that pop singers can be talented, I would put it to you that Madonna is one of the most talented artists of her genre of all time, and a cut above 98% of her peers.
I wouldn't say that now but twenty years ago she clearly had the flow...
 

llaarraa

Well-Known Member
"Miley Cyrus Follows Up Sexualized MTV Performance with Chaste, Totally Tasteful Terry Richardson Photo Shoot". - Vanity Fair.

Read the descriptions and then click on the links for those four photos :facepalm:
 

Sweet FA

✪ Three rounds Lord, in my .44 ✪
"Miley Cyrus Follows Up Sexualized MTV Performance with Chaste, Totally Tasteful Terry Richardson Photo Shoot". - Vanity Fair.

Read the descriptions and then click on the links for those four photos :facepalm:
The descriptions are a pisstake.
 

llaarraa

Well-Known Member
The descriptions are a pisstake.
That makes more sense. I thought so, then realised it was vanity fair and assumed it was real. I don't know much about vanity fair, but I didn't think much of it. I guess I'm judgemental and it might not be so bad.
 

revol68

what, fucking what?
"I did once ask [Irish politician] Alan Shatter to spank me ... Of course Alan turned me down. As sensibly, did [U2 member] Adam Clayton (the only do-able one in the band). I wonder if he'd known I would have let him in the tradesman's entrance would he have stopped to think about it for a millisecond."
 

LiamO

Well-Known Member
If Sinead was genuinely concerned she could have contacted Miley privately.
You do know the whole point of an 'open letter' is that it is open? As in it allows the writer to address the salient points (in this cae what O'Connor sees as the increased sexualisation/expolitation of young performers by the middle-aged corporate fucks who controll the music industry) in a public fashion.... to widen the debate. A private letter would be IMO much more of a 'passive-aggressive' statement.

O'Connor was having a go at 'The Industry' for (as she called it) murdering rock 'n' roll.

And yes, she is more than a little erratic. Many creative people are.
 

ATOMIC SUPLEX

Member Since: 1985 Post Count: 3
she always used her sexuality to advance her carfeer but at the time the Sex book was considered over the top...wouldnt surprise anyone now cos acting like a stripper is standard for many female singers.
I'm not sure it was. People were complaining more about the the rip off price.
I know parents that had it as a coffeetable book.
I don't remember a lot of outrage, and it's all boring up it's arse art photos. More of shit 'i'm arty' stunt than sexual exploitation, even self sexual exploitation.

MS's new direction seems far more sinister and a bit sleazy.

I'm not standing up for Madge though. Her music has been as dull as dishwater since dear Jessie and her attitude and media persona suck.
 

revol68

what, fucking what?
You do know the whole point of an 'open letter' is that it is open? As in it allows the writer to address the salient points (in this cae what O'Connor sees as the increased sexualisation/expolitation of young performers by the middle-aged corporate fucks who controll the music industry) in a public fashion.... to widen the debate. A private letter would be IMO much more of a 'passive-aggressive' statement.

O'Connor was having a go at 'The Industry' for (as she called it) murdering rock 'n' roll.

And yes, she is more than a little erratic. Many creative people are.
Well why not write an open letter about the industry then. Christ even an open letter making the same points about Mikey Cyrus but without the patronising faux maternalism would have been fine.

Also Sinead has been exploiting her Oirishness for years, which is more degrading than selling handjobs for crack.
 

DotCommunist

slowtime
who would win in a fight between sinead and the lead singer of the Cranberries I wonder. I think the Cranberries lady has the youth advantage but Sinead looks like she can draw on an inner well of rage and unleash hell.
 

LiamO

Well-Known Member
Well why not write an open letter about the industry then. Christ even an open letter making the same points about Mikey Cyrus but without the patronising faux maternalism would have been fine.

Also Sinead has been exploiting her Oirishness for years, which is more degrading than selling handjobs for crack.
why is her alleged 'maternalism' also 'faux'. Is she not a mother then?

Also Sinead has been exploiting her Oirishness for years,
what planet do you live on? Show me the pics of here waving a flag or dressing like a leprechaun or other examples of her 'exploiting her 'Oirishness'. You really can't see past your bigoted little Larne Bubble, can you?
 

D'wards

I'm an excellent driver
who would win in a fight between sinead and the lead singer of the Cranberries I wonder. I think the Cranberries lady has the youth advantage but Sinead looks like she can draw on an inner well of rage and unleash hell.
Sinead surely - she's quite stocky these days and has facial tattoos, yes, facial tattoos
 

revol68

what, fucking what?
why is her alleged 'maternalism' also 'faux'. Is she not a mother then?



what planet do you live on? Show me the pics of here waving a flag or dressing like a leprechaun or other examples of her 'exploiting her 'Oirishness'. You really can't see past your bigoted little Larne Bubble, can you?
She's not Miley's mother though.

Regarding her Oirishness, see the molly Malone song. It's a Belfast bubble btw.
 

spanglechick

High Empress of Dressing Up
i've just watched the cyrus video. doesn't seem that titilating in the grand scheme of things. yes she's naked (with big workboots on)... but it's a long way from the "st-trinians-at-a-slumber-party" styling that seems more designed for the pure pleasure of men.

i didn't like o'connor's letter. I hated her use of the phrase "young lady" over and over, because of the way she was using it: the idea that women, young women, should behave in an unchallenging, demure, modest way plays right into the hands of the patriarchy and is massively limiting. where was the concern when the take that boys were being filmed wearing arseless chaps etc? but it's ok for young men to muck around and get naked because we don't assume they were talked into it by a record company boss. imagining that young women can't arrive at the decision to make sexualised imagery on their own is really unhelpful and highly inaccurate.

miley cyrus might be being horribly exploited. alternatively, she might be exploring the power of her own body and her sexual imagery. why would anyone assume it wasn't the latter?


i love her haircut too. so refreshing for a young female singer. sadly, i think the song stinks.
 

LiamO

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Regarding her Oirishness, see the molly Malone song. It's a Belfast bubble btw.
You may live in Belfast... but you'll never escape Larne. It oozes out of you.

I've seen the Molly Malone video. I've also seen her album of crooning songs; her album of old childhood songs as Gaelige; her reggae albums etc... Abba covers... and also her nuanced songs about the relationship between Britain and Ireland... and her commercial/social suicide (at least in terms of Ireland/ Irish-America) in using a national US TV appearance to expose the catholic church covering up sexual abuse of minores by priests (at a time when there was not exactly a queue of people willing to do it).

I have yet to encounter any public utterance from her that could even loosely be described as 'exploiting her Oirishness'
 
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