Sinead O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus

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  1. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

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  2. friedaweed

    friedaweed Sitting down for a wee

    Bet she wont do it with Mo ;)
     
  3. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    That's gonna be way more fun.
     
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  4. Reno

    Reno The In Kraut

    Give her a couple of years...
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    it's been done before
     
  6. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    She'd be destroying a graven image so it would likely cause a lot of confusion.
     
  7. littleseb

    littleseb littleseb

    nothing compares to Mo.
     
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  8. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    Maybe it sounds mean
    But I really don't think so
    You asked for the truth, and I told you

    Through their own words
    They will be exposed
    They've got a severe case of the emperor's new clothes


    :D

    'This is the natural conclusion of any intelligent theologian's journey.'
     
  9. GreatGutsby

    GreatGutsby Well-Known Member

    I guess I see things differently. Believing in an imaginary father figure in the sky and whatever other supernatural forces that are supposed to exist (but don't) is atleast similar to a mental illness in my view. Why is that not the case?
     
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  10. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    Because your view is erroneous.
     
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  11. GreatGutsby

    GreatGutsby Well-Known Member

    And even if I didn't suspect that it was a mental illness, the statement that it can be considered one is not inaccurate because there are people who consider it to be so.
     
  12. GreatGutsby

    GreatGutsby Well-Known Member

    Why? Because it's not included in a manual about mental health? Explain please.
     
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  13. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    perhaps you could expand on the 'mental illness in your view' bit.

    according to your brief post everyone who has not understood scientific forces and believed them to be supernatural, is mentally ill. that's rather a sweeping statement.
     
  14. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    Given the broad sweep of history and the diversity of societies and the place of religion therein no explanation should be necessary to anyone who gives the question even cursory consideration.
     
  15. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. so you say. but you're reluctant to share with us WHY some people consider it so and what reasons there might be to give their opinion any weight.
     
  16. GreatGutsby

    GreatGutsby Well-Known Member

    Fraid not mate, I gave some reasons above.
     
  17. mojo pixy

    mojo pixy unquantifiable hazards

    ''Mentally Ill'' here would also include anyone who has taken their vast ignorance about the cosmos and filled it with imaginary creatures instead of nothing at all.Which IMO is not an unreasonable thing to do - in fact 9/10 our culture(s) come(s) from doing exactly that, so...

    Belief isn't the issue. Behaviour is the issue.

    /cliches
     
  18. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    make the case for it being a form of mental illness, not post up some ill-considered blather
     
  19. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    no, you gave one reason
     
  20. hot air baboon

    hot air baboon Well-Known Member

    nothing compares to U-sama
     
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  21. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    Ummah let you finish, but there is no God but Allah and Mohammed is His messenger.
     
  22. ice-is-forming

    ice-is-forming Well-Known Member

    An inability to sit with uncertainty.
    Lacking capacity for critical thinking
    Belief in something not proven or tangible
    Magic thinking
    Blind faith
    Murder and war in the name of 'god'
    Delusional even....

    I think if someone holds these ideas about something other than religion it is usually deemed a mental illness. People do need faith, not denying that, but I do think it's better to be based in fact. Faith that the sun will come up again tomorrow, that summer follows spring, that love exsists, that babies are born....
     
  23. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh right. perhaps if you're thinking of certain religions, these may be true. but lacking capacity for critical thinking? like newton, you mean, or aquinas? belief in something not proven or tangible? like so many scientists perhaps?

    if people are born and brought up in a religious society where you're told, this is the way things are - does that make them mentally ill? yet what you here claim is a mental illness cannot be cured by medicine, not even addressed by it, doctors know of no way to ameliorate it through the wonders of science, yet it can be dealt with by demonstrations of reason. where then is the illness situated? or are you simply thinking how superior and healthier you are?
     
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  24. mrs quoad

    mrs quoad Well-Known Member

    'The defining characteristic of mental illness is that someone is isolated in their belief system.' Alan Stone wrote sth very similar to that* (I think in the context of Soviet political psychiatry), and it certainly got me thinking.

    What makes religion non-insane is that lots of people believe the same set of batshit ideas, and have believed them for a very long time. If it was only Frank, shouting about it on a street corner in the Atheist Paradise of SomewhereElseville, Frank would bloody obviously be mad.

    *I don't have the book to hand, or I'd check. That's close to verbatim tho!
     
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  25. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    madness is rare in individuals - but in groups, parties, nations, and ages it is the rule. - friedrich nietzsche
     
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  26. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    And bulletin boards.
     
  27. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    nietzsche posted it on urban65 so didn't feel it necessary to include that :p
     
  28. GreatGutsby

    GreatGutsby Well-Known Member

    I'd say that not being up to date on science and believing so much in a load of supernatural crap that is not actually real are two different things.
     
  29. GreatGutsby

    GreatGutsby Well-Known Member

    And why is something any less mad just because alot of people believe in it? Religion can be seen as a sort of collective or group madness or insanity surely?
     
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  30. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    that has nothing to do with the post you quote.
     

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