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Sinead O'Connor's letter to Miley Cyrus

Discussion in 'music, bands, clubs & festies' started by Cheesypoof, Oct 4, 2013.

  1. killer b

    killer b Gazing vacantly at a plate of mince

    yes, yes. me too. :hmm:
     
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  2. Casually Red

    Casually Red tomorrow belongs to me

  3. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    I think there's a danger here of thinking of her as being anti the Patriarchy (even though she's not flat out said it and we're perhaps just hoping it) and perhaps giving her too much leeway for that, when she could just be capitalist through and through.
     
  4. treefrog

    treefrog Hapu

    Yeah, far easier to just call people whores than, you know, think or make reasoned arguments. :facepalm:

    Or does it bother you that people are able to think critically on this one and debate it rationally? What in your opinion is there space for in this thread, apart from your whorephobia?
     
  5. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    Cheesypoof do you look down on all whores, or just the ones that make loads of money from it rather than just scraping a living?
     
  6. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    annie lennox gets a free pass for me on anything because of eurythmics being amazing
     
  7. classicdish

    classicdish Well-Known Member

    Merger complete:
     
  8. Agent Sparrow

    Agent Sparrow mellow kitty

    Tbh I do find the sociology accusations a little strange, when I'm coming from a very psychological angle. I mean, in part it's basic Bandura. Given that, you know, I'm actually a psychologist and all, and over time that will have an impact on how I view things (see! My choices have become limited too!! ;):D)
     
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  9. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    Just for the sake of full disclosure: I've never studied sociology in my life. My degree was in performing arts and English. I'm no longer sure if that makes it ok for me to discuss my opinions here...
     
  10. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    it doesn't matter if you studied the evolution of the biro though does it? It doesn't matter if you spent your entire GCSE exam period in a school for the excluded and were so stoned you got across the board ungradeds cos you never even turned up. It's still fairly obvious that talking about whores and the notional sanctity of the female body is not on. Cos it buys into a virgin/whore mythos that does nothing for anyone.
     
  11. DotCommunist

    DotCommunist my world is fire and blood

    sullied and unsullied. Clean or dirty. Come on.
     
  12. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    sure we've all studied sociology
     
  13. killer b

    killer b Gazing vacantly at a plate of mince

    aye, it works both ways dunnit - shames one set of women while adding to the stigmatisation of another.
     
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  14. kabbes

    kabbes "A top 400 poster"

    I didn't know what is the more shocking revelation: that pop music exploits and embeds misogyny, or that Cheesypoof is a fucking idiot.
     
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  15. classicdish

    classicdish Well-Known Member

  16. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy

    whoah!! I dont look down on anyone, man! I used the term 'whoor' which is what we say in Dublin, for 'hooker'

    in Dublin if a girl looks cheap, ye might say 'stop whooring yerself'

    thats just how i meant it: stop whooring yerself Miley - ie, no need to throw it around, ie dress and twerk, like that. Sinead O connor and Annie Lennox used the word prostitute - i said same thing in the way i (and many people from the Northside of Dublin, where i come from) talk? :p

    i also specifically said earlier that it was what it looked like, not is as i figured some fool would get on their hobby horse and accuse me of anti feminine bollox (espec when the premise of the whole like, thread, is the opposite....:rolleyes:). i even highlighted that so i would not be misunderstood...

    So do me a favour and dont read loads of shite into what i didnt say, thanks:)
     
  17. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    Glitter already explained to you about the loaded language. You don't agree and continue to use it - but it's this language that makes it look as though you're looking down on prostitutes. And you can shove your rolleyes up your arse.
     
  18. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy

    sorry im just home, and havent read other posts on this thread - listen, im sorry if my loaded language offended anyone. And i dont mind you telling me to shove it up my arse, actually thats similar to saying whoor, where i come from....:cool: I roll my eyes because i dont like people making daft assumptions based on that language, which is part of my vernacular and isnt at all loaded. To make assumptions are wrong.

    no offence like!
     
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  19. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    You're not grasping that using "whoor" whore hooker whatever vernacular in a derogatory fashion or to criticise someone's behaviour = that you consider prostitution and prostitutes to be deserving of whatever vernacular epithet and using those epithets in a derogatory fashion is shaming language.
     
  20. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy

    try telling an Irish Mammy that when her daughter is off out in some get up :p
     
  21. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    Will you stop giving me this shit about stereotyping what the Irish do or don't when you know fine well my father's Irish himself :p
     
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  22. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy

    its not shit. its how we talk where i come from. Stop giving me gip, okay?
     
  23. cesare

    cesare don't mourn, organise!

    Don't order me about. If you don't want me to give you gip stop bloody replying to me.
     
  24. Cheesypoof

    Cheesypoof Fuck off Noddy

    Miley Cyrus comment on Sinead O'Connor today:

    "She is an incredible artist and I was inspired by her for my 'Wrecking Ball' video which started the whole thing. I don't know how someone can start a fight with someone that's saying I respect you and love what you did. [then] 'you suck and I don't like you.' That was crazy but I'm a big fan of hers. So it doesn't really matter."

    http://www.newsday.com/entertainmen...s-is-who-i-am-talks-sinead-o-connor-1.6211200
     
  25. Puddy_Tat

    Puddy_Tat it's all a load of baubles

    Should I admit that I had to look up "twerking"

    My first thought that it was some sort of technological activity, like tweeting only different

    :facepalm:
     
  26. treefrog

    treefrog Hapu

    Oh I see, so using loaded language is fine as long you're the one doing it. I see now!

    I grew up in a place where "chinky" was used all the time, so clearly I can keep using it because I'm Scottish. Being bigoted is cultural.

    Fucksake.
     
  27. Humberto

    Humberto stir up the righteous

    Still don't know what that is. It involves an arse.
     
  28. Humberto

    Humberto stir up the righteous

    Wait Sineaed (sp?) is not having Miley Cyrus (sp?) stick her arse out coz like she is better and noone cares about either of them BUT it got big in Ireland coz Sinaed (sp? is like only one to defend the decency of Ireland?

    Terrible. What will the world come to?
     
  29. free spirit

    free spirit more tea vicar?

    I'm struggling to count the number of fucks I give about the subject of this thread.

    Instinctively I'm with Sinead as she's far more proper urbanz than whoever this other idiot is.
     
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  30. Kizmet

    Kizmet Well-Known Member

    You don't have to give a fuck about either of the participants... but the subject matter is important.
     

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