Sinead O'Connor

[danny la rouge]

Interesting that she is equating race (skin colour) and faith. "white people" "if that's what non-muslims are called".

I know she has her daemons, and I wish her health, but those words, those concepts, from a person with her reach, are, to put it charitably, deeply unhelpful.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Right, so into defending this. Something the idiot herself recognises is racist. Because singing is her livelihood - apparently. I imagine a roofer shouting such nonsense would not be cut suck sickening slack. Back to your giants.

Have a read of the background to that tweet...the absolute islamophobia she was subjected to when she announced she had converted to Islam.

For the love of God, please stop sharing Sinéad O'Connor's tweets about white people

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Interesting that she is equating race (skin colour) and faith. "white people" "if that's what non-muslims are called".

I know she has her daemons, and I wish her health, but those words, those concepts, from a person with her reach, are, to put it charitably, deeply unhelpful.

Context matters. See previous post. People targetted her for becoming muslim

 

[butchersapron]

Have a read of the background to that tweet...the absolute islamophobia she was subjected to when she announced she had converted to Islam.

For the love of God, please stop sharing Sinéad O'Connor's tweets about white people

Are you now into saying it was a shit thing to say rather than defending the content of it? Which one is it?

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Are you now into saying it was a shit thing to say rather than defending the content of it? Which one is it?

You read the article?

 

[butchersapron]

You read the article?

All 150 words of it. Now to that question again
...

 

[danny la rouge]

Context matters. See previous post. People targetted her for becoming muslim

Sure, but the response to that is “don’t be bigoted”, not “here’s some bigotry of my own”.

I like her. I empathise with her issues. I hope she finds peace and happiness. But these words were not skilful. It’s not helpful to excuse them, whatever they are a response to.

 

[butchersapron]

The above went into justifying the content, not just excusing it.

 

[danny la rouge]

The above went into justifying the content, not just excusing it.

The article does indeed try to justify.

And it’s worth saying that her words might well be an angry response to the shit she’s been showered with. And I also condemn that shit. Over the decades she’s been vilified personally, in misogynist ways, as well as anti-Muslim bigotry. Nobody deserves that. But that does not mean her words, their meaning, their effect, are acceptable.

 

[butchersapron]

The article does indeed try to justify.

And it’s worth saying that her words might well be an angry response to the shit she’s been showered with. And I also condemn that shit. Over the decades she’s been vilified personally, in misogynist ways, as well as anti-Muslim bigotry. Nobody deserves that. But that does not mean her words, their meaning, their effect, are acceptable.

No i meant lupa's post here

 

[danny la rouge]

No i meant lupa's post here

Oh Jesus. Lupa , sorry, that’s nonsense. We all love Sinead here, but that’s not a good argument. Stick to having empathy for her issues, the abuse she’s showered with, and so on. But it’s possible to deplore both what she’s received as well as what she’s said. (And there’s no need to attempt equivalence or anything else).

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Might be a good idea to read back a bit further.

Still hating the kuffar is she? I do hear it brings inner peace.

This was what I was responding to.

 

[danny la rouge]

So you responded to that with:

white men have fucked up the world. Do you think otherwise?

Who has more power, an unemployed white man in Ballymun, or someone like Rosalind Brewer?

The people with the power to fuck up the world are the captains of capital, whatever their gender, sexuality or colour.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

So you responded to that with:



Who has more power, an unemployed white man in Ballymun, or someone like Rosalind Brewer?

The people with the power to fuck up the world are the captains of capital, whatever their gender, sexuality or colour.

Obviously Joe Soap has no power.....at all. This doesn't stop some from being prejudicial or racist or islamophobes.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

Anyway
Back to Sinead with Rainy Day In Soho.

 

[butchersapron]

That's already been posted on the thread.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

That's already been posted on the thread.

K boss

 

[butchersapron]

K boss

It has though.

 

[danny la rouge]

Obviously Joe Soap has no power.....at all.

So the description of the people who ‘fuck up the world’ that you used earlier was cast too wide. A better description would be “the ruling class”.

For example, the people the protestors in Hong Kong are opposing are not white men. Carrie Lam, the chief official, is neither white nor a man.

This is why class matters as an analysis of power. It is about structure.

 

[Baronage-Phase]

It has though.

Are you asking me to delete it?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Never mind her confusion, this stands out to me as one of the greatest deliveries of a song ever. It's jaw-dropping. She is fierce and beautiful and vulnerable and wonderful in these six minutes.