Sick of rightwing attitudes to workplace rights, pay, security etc

[STFC]

I don't believe you.

So?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Just from day to day experiences - the ones that matter.

The vast majority of people still seem to be politically stuck in some Thatcherian timewarp - loyally screaching her rancid political ideology even when it's demonstrably failing.

I find it all rather annoying but, you know, you are a proper misery.

Just now I've been treated to some twat at the next table banging on about how Maggie would sort these strikers out, but on the other hand, when I went to the shop yesterday, the bloke said "I see the strikes are on then... well, if they're not going to do the redundancies properly what do they expect" "yeah good luck to them I say, a few more people doing this the country would be in a much better state" "yes indeed".

 

[Onket]

So?

Just saying.

 

[DotCommunist]

I find it all rather annoying but, you know, you are a proper misery.

Just now I've been treated to some twat at the next table banging on about how Maggie would sort these strikers out, but on the other hand, when I went to the shop yesterday, the bloke said "I see the strikes are on then... well, if they're not going to do the redundancies properly what do they expect" "yeah good luck to them I say, a few more people doing this the country would be in a much better state" "yes indeed".

I've been surprised at the response from non polticised types recently. All of a sudden it's 'fair play to them' and 'yeah I'd be doing that if the bosses mugged me off'

When the crash comes, people suddenly remember the dirty word politics

 

[CyberRose]

... and there's never a shortage of "I'm all right, Jacks".

The economy can't be doing that bad then!

 

[durruti02]

Generally, yes.

why .. you want a country of cowards and cap doffers? very english .. lions led by donkeys?

btw you never stated what when and where all these strikes that are making peoles lifes a misery actually are

 

[Relahni]

The Tories are well and truly back.....

 

[sleaterkinney]

What is it with people who insist that the "answer" to any remaining group of workers that are still able to strike and defend their rights is to remove those rights and force them down to a "lowest common denominator" level of zero pay-rises, zero job security and zero rights?

Well for most people, pay-rises, unlimited job security etc are not rights, have they ever been?

 

[poster342002]

why .. you want a country of cowards and cap doffers?

Sadly, that's exactly what we have got.

 

[poster342002]

Well for most people, pay-rises, unlimited job security etc are not rights, have they ever been?

They are rights to aim for and preserve where they exist. Sad, then, that many people just call for those workers that do have a few remaining rights to have them stripped away - rather than extended those rights to all.

 

[STFC]

why .. you want a country of cowards and cap doffers? very english .. lions led by donkeys?

btw you never stated what when and where all these strikes that are making peoles lifes a misery actually are

Yes, that's exactly what I want. Well done.

I never said anything about making people's lives a misery - I was on about tube strikes, which seem to be an annual occurrence.

 

[sleaterkinney]

They are rights to aim for and preserve where they exist. Sad, then, that many people just call for those workers that do have a few remaining rights to have them stripped away - rather than extended those rights to all.

I don't think pay rises no matter what shape the economy is in is feasible, I don't think guaranteed job security no matter if there is duplication is a good idea either.

 

[poster342002]

I don't think pay rises no matter what shape the economy is in is feasible, I don't think guaranteed job security no matter if there is duplication is a good idea either.

Odd this principle doesn't apply to the rich, to MPs, to royals etc etc ...

Nope - belt-tightening is always just for the lower orders.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Odd this principle doesn't apply to the rich, to MPs, to royals etc etc ...

Nope - belt-tightening is always just for the lower orders.

I'd say recessions affect everyone...

 

[durruti02]

Yes, that's exactly what I want. Well done.

I never said anything about making people's lives a misery - I was on about tube strikes, which seem to be an annual occurrence.

why am i wrong? you said you were generally against strikes .. what do you mean .. what do you want people to do?? kowtow all the time?

and so 'all the strikes' was the issue .. you have now reduced to an annual occurance .. ffs .. big deal

tbh i think it is no wonder england is up shit creek with lily livered english'men' like you ..

 

[Azrael]

What is it with people who insist that the "answer" to any remaining group of workers that are still able to strike and defend their rights is to remove those rights and force them down to a "lowest common denominator" level of zero pay-rises, zero job security and zero rights?

I'm a conservative and I support the tube strike. The ability to withdraw your labour and engage in collective bargaining is a fundamental right, and without it, employees will be at a serious disadvantage, which is a recipe for exploitation and an unsettled society.

Sadly conservatism has been hijacked by un-conservative free market dogma. Which is liberalism. I suggest right wingers who think they're compelled to be blacklegs and union bashers look up how Benjamin Disraeli tackled labour relations.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I can't even remember the last time there was a strike on the London Underground - when was the last strike?

 

[shagnasty]

Striking is a last resort if a strike did not inconvience the customer of the company that the strikers are striking against then striking would have not usefull purpose.too many seem to think that striking is a legal right of any worker as long as it is not affective

 

[Urbanblues]

I can't even remember the last time there was a strike on the London Underground - when was the last strike?

2007 I believe. Hardly all the time, is it?

 

[revol68]

Probably because by striking they've made life a misery for millions of other people? Rightly or wrongly that was hardly going to endear them to the wider general public...

go fuck yourself cunt.

a tube stike is hardly inflicting fucking misery!

 

[Lolen08]

1. Not supporting strikes
2. Not supporting strikes at your workplace
3. Voting BNP
4. Being revol68.

IMO.
Actually this news has cheered be up immensely in the face of the BNP stuff. IDK, I mean the whole of London shook a little today contra my seemingly being the only person scared of fascism.
Lol.

 

[purplex]

Don't assume that everyone's being shat on. I'm sorry if you are, but I'm not.

Maybe not now but when it suits them to spit you out they will and they wont think twice, theyll tell you its in your employment contract and youd better bloody well accept it cause its the only offer going, and because you grew up in an era of thatcher where unions are demonized you have no one to back you. You mean absolutely fuck all to your employer, nothing, theyll kick you out of your job as soon as look at you, you are just data in a personnel database, a fixed cost in an accounting system.

 

[purplex]

Yes, that's exactly what I want. Well done.

I never said anything about making people's lives a misery - I was on about tube strikes, which seem to be an annual occurrence.

Arent the strikes a sign of a management that is failing, a managers job is to manage, that includes upholding good employee relations and ensuring your employees are happy, doing whats best for your customers but most importantly of all making sure that service runs no matter what. Of course this is all down to the unions because the media tell you so, and if its in the papers it must be true aye.

 

[nightbreed]

Probably because by striking they've made life a misery for millions of other people? Rightly or wrongly that was hardly going to endear them to the wider general public...

Shit. Im really miserable. I couldnt go to work and had to sit in the pub instead. Those bloody strikers...........

 

[nightbreed]

Comment heard in said pub

"Bloody Crow. He likes to put it up'em. Fair play to the union they dont mess around with the government.I'm all for it. Thats why Im voting Tory......."

 

[STFC]

why am i wrong? you said you were generally against strikes .. what do you mean .. what do you want people to do?? kowtow all the time?

and so 'all the strikes' was the issue .. you have now reduced to an annual occurance .. ffs .. big deal

tbh i think it is no wonder england is up shit creek with lily livered english'men' like you ..

Kowtow? No, of course not. Where did I say that? My attitude is: if you're not happy in your job, withdraw your labour permanently. Go and be happy somewhere else. I've done it, so anyone can.

And yes, I said Londoners were sick of all the strikes. I didn't say they happened all the time, did I? The tube is a nightmare at the best of times with all the line closures, shutting it down for a couple of days is an added aggravation nobody needs.

Why are you banging on about England and Englishmen, you crank?

 

[cesare]

Kowtow? No, of course not. Where did I say that? My attitude is: if you're not happy in your job, withdraw your labour permanently. Go and be happy somewhere else. I've done it, so anyone can.

And yes, I said Londoners were sick of all the strikes. I didn't say they happened all the time, did I? The tube is a nightmare at the best of times with all the line closures, shutting it down for a couple of days is an added aggravation nobody needs.

Why are you banging on about England and Englishmen, you crank?

Not necessarily.

 

[STFC]

Maybe not now but when it suits them to spit you out they will and they wont think twice, theyll tell you its in your employment contract and youd better bloody well accept it cause its the only offer going, and because you grew up in an era of thatcher where unions are demonized you have no one to back you. You mean absolutely fuck all to your employer, nothing, theyll kick you out of your job as soon as look at you, you are just data in a personnel database, a fixed cost in an accounting system.

With respect, I know the company I work for, you don't.

I'm under no illusions - the company exists to make a profit for its shareholders and I'm just a cog in the machine. Luckily the company I work for knows that for the machine to run smoothly, the staff must be properly incentivised and motivated. It's not perfect, issues arise from time to time, but on the whole its a very good place to work.

Obviously nobody knows what the future holds, but I very much doubt I'll be "spat out". If the situation here deteriorates, I'll deal with it. I'll move on, like I've done before. I've never been a union member, never needed to or wanted to, and I very much doubt I ever will.

 

[cesare]

With respect, I know the company I work for, you don't.

I'm under no illusions - the company exists to make a profit for its shareholders and I'm just a cog in the machine. Luckily the company I work for knows that for the machine to run smoothly, the staff must be properly incentivised and motivated. It's not perfect, issues arise from time to time, but on the whole its a very good place to work.

Obviously nobody knows what the future holds, but I very much doubt I'll be "spat out". If the situation here deteriorates, I'll deal with it. I'll move on, like I've done before. I've never been a union member, never needed to or wanted to, and I very much doubt I ever will.

Do you believe that your company is representative of employers in general?

 

[Kanda]

People like to crap on about how "liberal", "tolerant" etc Londoners are - yet the slightest strike and they foam at the mouth in incandescent rage; demanding the return of the metaphorical birch, workers' rights-wise.

I haven't seen any pissed off, foaming Londoners.