Should veggie cafes provide a meat option?

[Stobart Stopper]

If I went to a proper veggie restaurant I would find it odd if they had one or two meat dishes on the menu.
And a bit of an insult to vegetarians. But I don't know, I could be wrong, as I am not a vegetarian.

 

[madzone]

If I went to a proper veggie restaurant I would find it odd if they had one or two meat dishes on the menu.
And a bit of an insult to vegetarians. But I don't know, I could be wrong, as I am not a vegetarian.

I thought you 'turned' a few weeks ago

 

[Hollis]

If I went to a proper veggie restaurant I would find it odd if they had one or two meat dishes on the menu.
And a bit of an insult to vegetarians. But I don't know, I could be wrong, as I am not a vegetarian.

Why is it an insult?

 

[kea]

oh bloody bloody hellfire. i hate christmas and i can't even escape it on this cyber-bastion of grumpiness.

so you won't be using the xmas style-thingy then


edit: i can't believe it - longdog's smilies page lacks a christmas smilie

 

[Stobart Stopper]

Why is it an insult?

Because the way I see it is that a vegetarian doesn't like animal flesh, dead animals.
The whole point of having a veggie restaurant is that it's somewhere they can eat which is meat free. The problem is that how will they know that their meals haven't been in contact with the meat products?
Then there's the cooking aspect, you'd have to have seperate chopping boards, saucepans. You only have to get one sloppy kitchen worker to fuck up.

I just can't see the point. If I go for a veggie meal ( and I have done, quite a few times) that's what I expect, I would just find it odd if there wes a meat option to choose from. I would feel very uncomfortable eating meat in a predomiantly veggie restaurant. Out of respect to the non meat eaters.

 

[EastEnder]

If veggie eating establishments offered meat dishes, they wouldn't be veggie.

duh.

 

[strung out]

Should Halal restauraunts offer a non Halal option?

 

[Stobart Stopper]

If veggie eating establishments offered meat dishes, they wouldn't be veggie.

duh.

Exactly!
I'd feel just as uncomfortable tucking into a big steak surrounded by vegetarians, as I would taking a pork chop into a muslim's house and eating it in front of him.

 

[Hollis]

I'd feel just as uncomfortable tucking into a big steak surrounded by vegetarians, as I would taking a pork chop into a muslim's house and eating it in front of him.

Really - I've never met a veggie who's objected to people eating meat in their prescence.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Because the way I see it is that a vegetarian doesn't like animal flesh, dead animals.
The whole point of having a veggie restaurant is that it's somewhere they can eat which is meat free. The problem is that how will they know that their meals haven't been in contact with the meat products?
Then there's the cooking aspect, you'd have to have seperate chopping boards, saucepans. You only have to get one sloppy kitchen worker to fuck up.

so can we have meat restaurants where we carnivores can avoid all these veggie malarkey? pure properly cooked meat unadulterated by the most minimal amount of salad?

 

[strung out]

so can we have meat restaurants where we carnivores can avoid all these veggie malarkey? pure properly cooked meat unadulterated by the most minimal amount of salad?

Sounds like my kind of restauraunt

 

[Stobart Stopper]

Really - I've never met a veggie who's objected to people eating meat in their prescence.

neither have I, but surely the whole point of a veggie restaurant is that it is somewhere people who don't like meat can go without seeing someone else eating it.

 

[Hollis]

neither have I, but surely the whole point of a veggie restaurant is that it is somewhere people who don't like meat can go without seeing someone else eating it.

Surely its to enjoy the vegetarian food that you're eating.

 

[bluestreak]

Surely its to enjoy the vegetarian food that you're eating.

depends on who you are and why you are there innit.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Because the way I see it is that a vegetarian doesn't like animal flesh, dead animals.

i have known plenty of veggies who are veggie for reasons other than the whole 'i don't like dead animals' thing.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

Sounds like my kind of restauraunt

they serve vegetarians in my restaurant. rare, medium, well done.

 

[EastEnder]

A bit of set theory (for Hollis the pin striped accountant):

Set A: The set of dishes containing all possible dishes.

Set B: The set of dishes containing only veggie dishes.

Non-specialist restaurant serves set A.

Veggie restaurant serves set B.

Set A contains Set B.

Set B does not contain Set A.

Comprende?

 

[guinnessdrinker]

A bit of set theory (for Hollis the pin striped accountant):

Set A: The set of dishes containing all possible dishes.

Set B: The set of dishes containing only veggie dishes.

Non-specialist restaurant serves set A.

Veggie restaurant serves set B.

Set A contains Set B.

Set B does not contain Set A.

Comprende?

what about set c containing ally meat dishes? are we carnivores discriminated against?

 

[fractionMan]

Notice how they're called cafes not restaurants, but cafes.

What does that tell you eh? eh?

 

[Hollis]

A bit of set theory (for Hollis the pin striped accountant):

Set A: The set of dishes containing all possible dishes.

Set B: The set of dishes containing only veggie dishes.

Non-specialist restaurant serves set A.

Veggie restaurant serves set B.

Set A contains Set B.

Set B does not contain Set A.

Comprende?

Indeed. But take, for example, the Chinease takaway they'll offer trad. English chips. Its common for restaurants to broaden their range beyond the particular specialism - to be more inclusive of peoples' tastes and preferences.

 

[Kameron]

I want a meat only restaurant damit!!

In fact this does nearly exist since in the form of Santa Maria del Buen Ayre which I note does have a vegetarian option but the odds of a vegetarian feeling comfortable there with the vast quantities of offal on offer are as close to Zero as I can imagine. I quite like the Vegan Whole Food Cafe in Streatham and the veggie Boddington Cafe in Vauxhall and I don't feel alienated by the enforced lack of meat in these places though I am sad for the 1000's of animals denied the happy months of life they would have had if everyone ate meat, all life is precious and who are you to decide that some lamb should never be born because you aren't going to provide a market for its carcase? <now I have to go to the Doctor to get my tongue out of my cheek> the pain the pain.

 

[madzone]

What about that place that just sells offal?

 

[AnMarie]

Fuck no!

 

[Hollis]

Fuck no!

But why 'Fuck no!' ?

 

[Maggot]

Hollis, if you want to eat meat avoid veggie restaurants. It's not that hard.

 

[Hollis]

Hollis, if you want to eat meat avoid veggie restaurants. It's not that hard.

But not really the point.

 

[AnMarie]

*snarf* Urbans a hotbed a veggie baiting! lol

 

[Maggot]

And the point is, Trollis?

 

[Dubversion]

But not really the point.

the point - if you're really interested, which of course you're not - is that vegetarians are generally thus for some kind of ethical / moral / religious / political health choice (rightly or wrongly) so the presence of meat has the ability to offend or upset or otherwise bother. i can't think of a single example where the reverse applies, so to offer veggie dishes in a primarily omnivorous environment is not analogous.

and you KNOW that.

 

[Hollis]

the point - if you're really interested, which of course you're not - is that vegetarians are generally thus for some kind of ethical / moral / religious / political health choice (rightly or wrongly) so the presence of meat has the ability to offend or upset or otherwise bother. i can't think of a single example where the reverse applies, so to offer veggie dishes in a primarily omnivorous environment is not analogous.

and you KNOW that.

But I know some pretty hardcore Vegans.. and yet I've not met anyone genuninly offended by watching other people eat meat.

Anyway.. hometime beckons..