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Should USUK forces leave IRaq now?

redsquirrel said:
Yeah, even if withdrawing achieves nothing else then at least US/UK soldiers won't be killed.
As I've said before one of the rational motives for this war was protecting oil production.

If, as is likely, it develops from a civil war into a major regional war that threatens the Saudi oil fields DC will be back and it won't be the low casualty picnic that Iraq is at the moment.
 
The Yorkshire Ranter considers the problem:
So - what the hell should we do? Well, we ought to accept and internalise that it's fucked. I see Kevin Drum quoted Sir Richard Mottram's legendary conjugation - "I'm fucked. You're fucked. We're all fucked. The whole fucking department's fucked." There is now no point in doing anything in Iraq but damage limitation. We should have a firm commitment to pulling out, but enough uncertainty to bargain - a hard, hard problem in game theory. And, looking at the increasingly bad relations with the SCIRI and Sadrist authority in southern Iraq - we shouldn't be looking at the Cabinet Mission's decision to set a timetable for Indian independence as a model. We should be digging out Field Marshal Wavell's Breakdown Plan, on what to do in the event of a Shia rising and total loss of cooperation with local authority.
 
On the other hand, turning the middle east into one fucking awful nightmare warzone might be fairly effective in slowing anthropogenic climate change.

So there might be a bright side ... (a pretty shitty definition of 'bright' but ...)
 
Bernie Gunther said:
On the other hand, turning the middle east into one fucking awful nightmare warzone might be fairly effective in slowing anthropogenic climate change...
There's always a silver lining if you look hard enough. I've always found burning oil wells rather picturesque myself.
 
Long piece by Tom Engelhardt on Withdrawal Symptoms and perhaps puts his finger on a basic problem of creating a workable Iraqi military:
If you set aside, for a moment, what is believed in, it obviously helps to believe in something if you plan to "stand up" and fight. At the most basic level in our age, it helps if you feel your country has been violated and occupied by foreigners. In the last two centuries, no emotion has mobilized more people in arms than the one we call "nationalism" when other people take up arms and "patriotism" when we do so. Call it love of country. Add religion to that -- or the belief that your country or region has been taken over by unbelievers -- and you have a powerful combination. The issue here is not years of training, it's motivation. And our Iraqis have next to none -- with the exception of Kurdish and Shiite militiamen who want to take out those Sunnis they think of as their enemies and a potential peril to their existence.
 
oi2002 said:
As I've said before one of the rational motives for this war was protecting oil production.

If, as is likely, it develops from a civil war into a major regional war that threatens the Saudi oil fields DC will be back and it won't be the low casualty picnic that Iraq is at the moment.
furthermore - given the amount of armed people willing to foment insurrection throughout the middle east, and given the inherent frailty of the house of Saud - such a war could quite possibly trigger an open insurrection in saudi.
lovely.....
 
I went to the protest in london against the War in Iraq however now I am not sure what to do on the issue of USA troops.

The invasion was brutal but at the moment the Sunni Militants seem more dangerous than the USA troops. I fear that if the USA troops left than it would just lead to a brutal Sunni holocaust.
 
Khaleed said:
I went to the protest in london against the War in Iraq however now I am not sure what to do on the issue of USA troops.

The invasion was brutal but at the moment the Sunni Militants seem more dangerous than the USA troops. I fear that if the USA troops left than it would just lead to a brutal Sunni holocaust.

Why do you feel the Sunni Militants are "more dangerous" than the US troops?
 
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