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Should The State Of Israel Be Destroyed?

Should Israel be destroyed?

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pembrokestephen said:
I don't think Israel should have been constituted in the first place, but since they are now there, we can't just deport all of the people who've spend most of their lives there.

The answer has to be sime kind of two state approach, with guarantees from both sides (because, let's face it, the extremist fundamentalist Jewish movements are equally as nasty as the extremist fundamentalist Islamist ones). Ultimately, I think it would be wise to consider moving, in the very long term, to federation between the two states, so that they don't remain geographically distinct indefinitely.
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I agree with you in all you have stated above...but there is a VERY large body within Isreali society which does not want this to happen.
And how come the more secular jewish people ( who want a two state resolution to the current problem and who wish to live in peace with their neighbours) are having to send their kids to defend the settlers..mostly American zionist nut cases who in turn are excused from army service because of the fundamentalist beliefs...it beggars belief.
My jewish friends here in London are fucking furious at the isreali government actions and see it as little more than storing up futher trouble for the entire country and region.
 
cemertyone said:
I agree with you in all you have stated above...but there is a VERY large body within Isreali society which does not want this to happen.
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Yeah :( And I think that there's a substantial minority within Arab society which wouldn't want it to happen, either. I tend to be more sympathetic to the Arab view, in some ways: there they were in 1947, then *bosh*, 1948 and they're being herded into two enclaves.

cemertyone said:
And how come the more secular jewish people ( who want a two state resolution to the current problem and who wish to live in peace with their neighbours) are having to send their kids to defend the settlers..mostly American zionist nut cases who in turn are excused from army service because of the fundamentalist beliefs...it beggars belief.
My jewish friends here in London are fucking furious at the isreali government actions and see it as little more than storing up futher trouble for the entire country and region.
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Perhaps, since the US seems so keen on supporting the rights of Jewish settlement, they should set aside a nice big chunk of Arizona for a religous Jewish State, where all the hardcase religious types can go, while Israel becomes a secular Arab/Jewish state (they can call it Semitia or something).

It'd make delivering all the bombs and guns easier.
 
pembrokestephen said:
I don't think Israel should have been constituted in the first place, but since they are now there, we can't just deport all of the people who've spend most of their lives there.
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Why should anypne be deported? Are you saying it's impossible for Jews and Arabs to live together?
 
Spion said:
Why should anypne be deported? Are you saying it's impossible for Jews and Arabs to live together?
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I am saying that, in an ideal world, I'd see the situation put back to how it was pre-1948. But, since that would be impossible, the only option is some kind of accommodation, but one in which the Palestinians, who occupied the land before it was taken for them for a Jewish homeland, are not second class citizens in their own country.
 
If you want to create a militent world roming group of Jewish terrorists. A sort of Jewish Al Quida, yes destroy Isreal.

2 state solution with serious investment and help for the Palastinions. I think you'll find suiside bombings and alike disappear when peple have jobs and a quality oflife. You can't agitate a man on a full stomach and all that. israel in turn need to be able to protect themselves, and I don't mean like how they're doing it now. In a way it doesn't really matter if many groups still think Israel shouldn't exist, As long as they dont' have the capacity or will to do anything about it, they'll be peace. Just pragmatics. States shouldn't go to war over points ofprinciple.

or something.
 
Israel needs to be destroyed by the Arabic freedom fighter and all the evil zionist baby killing jews need to die regardless of where in the world they are.
All the arab nations need the same fate.

Right, that's got rid of all the middle east threads so how about a 500,000 post thread getting started.
 
no. one nation, no gods, equality of life and opportunity for all.

might as well demand champagne piped in and a free lancia for every schoolchild, but hey...
 
xenon_2 said:
If you want to create a militent world roming group of Jewish terrorists. A sort of Jewish Al Quida, yes destroy Isreal.
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Nobody here is talking about physically desroying israel and deporting all the Jews (I hope). What is being talked about is the destruction of a state which offers systematic privileges to jews and bars the re-entry to the Palestinians ethnically cleansed in its foundation.

If there are jews that can't bring themselves to right the wrongs their state has perpetrated and are unwilling to live next door to Arabs then *they* can fuck off
 
Sasaferrato said:
There was no option for a straight NO on the poll.

NO!
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I think just saying 'NO!' is hardly a solution to the current problems. In fact, I think such bull-headedness on both sides is a large cause of the current problem.
 
I dont think right of return is possible .Its not like the land has remained empty for 50 years.
Must be a way to settle it equitable though .Land back to some compensation for others .One state equal rights would be ideal probably not possible .Federal solution some states jewish some arab ?
 
Wookey said:
Destroying nations is not my power to have - let's leave that one to George and Tony. Where do we get off dictating the future of other nations like it's a game of chess we're playing? That's what Bush/Blair do, not what normal people aspire to. And it's that arrogance that got us here in the first place.

I would like a government who didn't sanction civilian massacres, who didn't support the US in their sickening hypocrisy over Israeli terrorism, and who didn't fuck over the UN as the only international force capable of ever solving this problem. Not much to ask, and it's within our power to get.

Let's look at what our government has done to stoke these flames, and sort that out first, is my opinion. Rather than simplistically wishing the apparent 'protagonists' out of existence, not seeing who the real protagonists are. Ourselves.

This is a proxy massacre, done with permission. Blair and Bush have yet more blood on their hands.
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Very thought provoking.
 
'Yes to Falafel, Yes to Houmus'

'No to this, No to that' 'slogan' paralyzes one's ability to be 'self-assertive' and make decisions. It's a 'cop out'. A 'denial'. An 'inert state'.

It makes it more difficult to focus on the situation, leading to a type of despondency which, in times of great upheaval and crisis, could be likened to a stalemate/checkmate situation in chess.

A better 'NO' would be to 'No to violence' or 'No tit-for-tat'.

If both sides took some 'time out' (which is what a ceasefire achieves), gloom and gravitas felt by both Israeli and Palestinian who live in and with this tension daily would ease-up.

A ceasefire/space to reflect would give people a breathing space that could help them to gain a greater understanding of their own, and other's needs for future peace.

A ceasefire/pause to reflect (the entire two nations) would help both sides to express themselves more authentically as a result of pausing for a moment to consider how they treat themselves, and each other with more care and consideration.

'No to this, No to that' means NADA. (Cue The Fugs - Nothing)
 
Bigdavalad said:
Since our aircraft carriers have no air defence fighters, it'd give the Israelis something to think about for about ten minutes, then their attack aircraft would have sunk it and they could get back to defending the Israeli nation/bombing kids.
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hold up a minute... no air defence fighters? not even one? bugger me sideways someone fucked up there then didn't they... then again our defence procurement has always semed to bear no relation to the realities of war, or did they envisage this to be a disposable aircraft carrier - launch all the aircraft, run away and hope for the best? fuckwits the lot of them.:rolleyes:

I was kinda serious about this idea for a few minutes til I checked out the Israeli airforce and realised how hopelessly outgunned we'd be:eek:
 
They have harriers with sidewinder missles .No air to air radar and long range
missles .Sea harrier which had it is now surplus you can buy one if you want.
10yrs time might have jsf and proper carriers till then not a lot we can do about .Defending our own ships would be hard enough if the idf turned hostile.
 
dylanredefined said:
They have harriers with sidewinder missles .No air to air radar and long range
missles .Sea harrier which had it is now surplus you can buy one if you want.
10yrs time might have jsf and proper carriers till then not a lot we can do about .Defending our own ships would be hard enough if the idf turned hostile.
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wicked, what I really want though is the aircraft carrier:cool:
 
free spirit said:
hold up a minute... no air defence fighters? not even one? bugger me sideways someone fucked up there then didn't they... then again our defence procurement has always semed to bear no relation to the realities of war, or did they envisage this to be a disposable aircraft carrier - launch all the aircraft, run away and hope for the best? fuckwits the lot of them.:rolleyes:

I was kinda serious about this idea for a few minutes til I checked out the Israeli airforce and realised how hopelessly outgunned we'd be:eek:
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Nope, someone decided it wasn't worth spending the money upgrading their engines so all the Sea Harriers were retired recently. We now have Harrier GR.9 ground attack aircraft only, as Dylan said.
 
bluestreak said:
no. one nation, no gods, equality of life and opportunity for all.

might as well demand champagne piped in and a free lancia for every schoolchild, but hey...
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Do they still make Lancias?
 
Sasaferrato said:
Quite easily. Hezbollah is to blame.
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No Sas. This is 'convergence'
Hizb Allah did not destroy those buildings, did they?

All that's required is for the Phalangist Militia to return, and the time-warp back to 1982 is complete.
 
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