Should Thatcher apologize?

[8ball]

While I have no liking for Lady Thatcher's policies (me being a conservative, her being a market-liberal radical) I don't focus on her demise. She died her political death in 1990. That's all that should count.

Great, so it doesn't matter if we burn what's left.

 

[pogofish]

Apologise for . . . getting elected. Three times?

Not in Scotland though.

 

[pogofish]

The culture of politicians claiming forgiveness or support simply by the act of apologising for unpopular acts is useless and dangerous. THey don't mean it, don't do anything to resolve issues, and don't change. Fuck their apologies. I'd rather she died adamant that her evil was the right thing have done rather than apologised so that history might be kinder to her.

tl;dr - empty gestures are for empty heads.

This. Don't dilute the memory one bit.

 

[Fedayn]

While I have no liking for Lady Thatcher's policies (me being a conservative, her being a market-liberal radical) I don't focus on her demise. She died her political death in 1990. That's all that should count.

Never having a majority, and not a single MP in Scotland for a period during her tenure. Her having been elected doesn't therefore mean that everything she did was either good or defencible. You see m to be labouring under the rather bizarre delusion that because she won 3 election, again nev er having a majority, then she cannot have done anything to 'apologise' for.

Personally i'm with bluestreak, apologies are cheap pr nothing more. Don't actually re-dress the wrongs and brutal politics brought in.

 

[Combustible]

NL are no better than Thatcher, my point is Thatcher was elected and relected twice. That little fact is sometimes set to one side on here, with the view prevailing that she imposed her politics on an entirely unwilling nation.

But don't you complain about NL who have also been elected 3 times.

 

[Azrael]

You see m to be labouring under the rather bizarre delusion that because she won 3 election, again nev er having a majority, then she cannot have done anything to 'apologise' for.

I said that?

 

[London_Calling]

She had an electoral mandate x 3, what can I tell you.

 

[Fedayn]

She had an electoral mandate x 3, what can I tell you.

You can repeat this ad nauseum, it's as irrelevant now as it will be when your gurgling it in your sleep.

 

[DotCommunist]

Democracy's a bugger, eh?

Neither you or I actually have experience of true democracy though.

 

[geminisnake]

NL are no better than Thatcher, my point is Thatcher was elected and relected twice. That little fact is sometimes set to one side on here, with the view prevailing that she imposed her politics on an entirely unwilling nation.

She did. There were NO tory MPs in Scotland for quite some time, not sure about Wales so her politics were imposed on a nation which did not vote for her or her party.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm with bluestreak here.

although the idea that should apologise would require a considerable change of character on her part - perhaps explained by dementia.

can't we just hang her off london bridge for the pigeons to peck at?

Only if by "hang her" you mean nailing her crusty pissflaps to the bridge so that she's "hanging" by them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Don't you regularly complain about New Labour.

Like a clock ringing the fucking hours, that's how regular.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Is there anything constructive Baroness Thatcher could do to recieve forgiveness from her enemies? (No suggestions about hari-kari and gruesome variations thereof, please.) I doubt it, but would like to be proved wrong.

She could offer up her first-born as a sacrifice, using an Aztec rite.

 

[Azrael]

Given that Mark Thatcher helped send several ex-SAS men to a torture prison, that may be a bit redundant.

 

[Stoat Boy]

She needs to apologise for backing down over the Poll tax and for some horrendous mistakes over her European policies which gave away to much power to Brussels.

But apart from that she was generally smashing and I love her to bits.

 

[Azrael]

If 19th century free market idealists are your thing, I guess Lady Thatcher was pretty good. Me, I'm a conservative, and have no time for her policies.

 

[Isambard]

Don't want any apology. A slow painful death in the gutter might cheer my spirits, but she's too far gone to relasie what would be happening to her, sadly.

 

[dylanredefined]

Doent new labour depend on scottish mps for its majority so think their getting their own back .Do you actually think she is sorry?

 

[Azrael]

A slow painful death in the gutter might cheer my spirits ...

Would you oppose the hanging of premeditated murderers, by any chance?

 

[TylerD]

Now is probably the time to think about where she's going to be buried, so that the world's biggest dancefloor can be built over it. This floor also needs excellent drainage because an awful lot of people will be pissing on it too.

 

[Isambard]

Would you oppose the hanging of premeditated murderers, by any chance?

What's that got to do with her feeble cries as the vultures and maggots tug their bibs in?

VERY modern expereinces, not just the "bad old days" of the 70s when coppers fitted people up (like they never do now of course) shows that you can get convicted for murders you didn't do.

The death penalty is not reversable and I'd bet pound to a penny it would be more heavily used against the working class and minorities.

 

[Azrael]

Now is probably the time to think about where she's going to be buried, so that the world's biggest dancefloor can be built over it. This floor also needs excellent drainage because an awful lot of people will be pissing on it too.

Does anyone seriously think that Lady Thatcher's family will allow her grave to be built in such as way that it can be desecrated? It'll either be in a mausoleum, or subject to surveillance cameras. In that case, I'd support them.

 

[Prince Rhyus]

If someone apologises without meaning it the apology is worthless. From her it would be worthless.

This ^^^

 

[Isambard]

I thought the latest idea was burial at sea?

Some enterprising soul with run a few buise cruises with a chance to piss over the side I guess.

 

[dylans]

Does anyone seriously think that Lady Thatcher's family will allow her grave to be built in such as way that it can be desecrated? It'll either be in a mausoleum, or subject to surveillance cameras. In that case, I'd support them.

I'd like to see her buried under a public urinal.

 

[Azrael]

What's that got to do with her feeble cries as the vultures and maggots tug their bibs in?

I'm curious about the moral inconsistency that allows abolitionists to celebrate the death of an old woman who's been out of politics for nigh on twenty years. I support hanging, yet wouldn't enjoy the death of anyone; you oppose it, but seem to take Jacobean pleasure in Lady Thatcher's imminent demise.

 

[Isambard]

Moral inconsistency? Moi?

I don't think the state has the right to judicially kill a human being.
That is based on a theoretical position and practicalities based on modern legal cases.

The other is raw emotion I feel about Thatch*r and what she did.



Perhaps if someone I knew was pre emptively murdered than I might emotionally clamour for the death penalty. That's why it's a good idea to have relatively unbiased sentecing as per pre agreed levels and not let the newspapers set the agenda in the wake of a nasty murder.

 

[shagnasty]

Where will she be buried if somewhere which is a place of honour then i could imagine there being a real stink.It caused enough trouble when they spoke of a state funeral

 

[Isambard]

Aye ShagN but when does the government listen to people anyway?

 

[Azrael]

The other is raw emotion I feel about Thatch*r and what she did.

Just her? What about her cabinet, and the Tory MPs who voted through her laws? Does Mr Scargill get a share of opprobrium for picking a loosing fight with her, or the previous Labour government for laying the seeds of her 1979 victory?

As for all this talk of pissing on her grave, what's it meant to prove? The desecration makes people feel better, but I don't see why. Lady Thatcher will obviously be passed caring, and the only people it'll hurt are her family.