Should people who don't live in Brixton be banned from posting in this forum?
- Thread starter Domski
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Anna Key said:I guess I'm a u75 regular and don't recall calling you any of these things.
But then I said to myself:
"OK, I haven't called Domski any of these things but maybe I've thought them?"
The answer came back: "No."
"But have I felt them?"
Again the answer came back: "No."
So you've simply failed to register. Sorry! No offence.
LOL! Thats a bit shite for someone of your intellectual resources Mr Key
I'd be very surprised if you'd said, thought or felt any one of these things about me in particular, especially as I've managed to chalk up a 'mere' 37 posts 'worth preserving'... hehe.
It's more to do with what I consider to be (for a supposedly inclusive bunch of people) the close-minded and hypocritical way in which some of the posters on the Brixton forum have come across which I firmly believe do no favours to what are often extremely reasonable and well expressed arguments for the preservation of Brixton's culture (and in the case of somewhere like Living, protection against an utter cunt)...
Seeing as this is a reply to you Anna, a classic example has been your extremely helpful posts about local issues utterly ruined by some crap (AND pretty genuinely offensive) comment on the 'Tallulah-isation' of Brixton. Pretty puerile in my book.
Brainaddict
slight system overdrive
Although I have no desire to get drawn into this argument, I have to say this is by far the most intimidating forum on U75, and a certain kind of nostalgic snobbery is quite common. I've just moved to Brixton and therefore like it for what it is today, rather than what it was like five or ten or twenty years ago. I have to admit that on this forum I fear being looked down upon for having this opinion.
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
Domski said:Alright then - maybe it's got something to do with the fact that one of the moderators has these views and expresses them in the 'unique' way that he does
Thats just Hatboy's way. Yes, I think he should be a bit more "hands off" in his moderating style, but he passionately cares about Brixton and what happens here. And thats a good thing IMO.
miss minnie
Well-Known Member
have to say i've not been keen on the brixton forum for some time. and i've lived around here for over 20 years. i always think twice before i post here and i'm giving up posting more than a subdued sentence or two now.
it's a very 'edgy' forum. hatboy, sorry, you're a lovely guy in real life but you make the debates here such hard work.
all the weird editing, your moods, anger and outbursts, your sarcastic and cynical replies, your intimidation and lack of objectivity ruin it for me. you keep saying you want more variety in the posters here but i can't help feeling that forum newbies are put off by your style. brixton is not yours, maybe this forum is. fine. i'm not going to argue with you, it's just my opinion - you've told me you value honesty so i hope you appreciate that i'm being honest.
it's a very 'edgy' forum. hatboy, sorry, you're a lovely guy in real life but you make the debates here such hard work.
all the weird editing, your moods, anger and outbursts, your sarcastic and cynical replies, your intimidation and lack of objectivity ruin it for me. you keep saying you want more variety in the posters here but i can't help feeling that forum newbies are put off by your style. brixton is not yours, maybe this forum is. fine. i'm not going to argue with you, it's just my opinion - you've told me you value honesty so i hope you appreciate that i'm being honest.
aurora green
Tectonic
Blimey.
I'm quite scared to post here actually, but its not Hatboy that puts me off. Not at all.
It's only 'cos I live here and have done for so long, that I dare to, but I still get seem to get flamed if ever I get too confident. Its not as bad as P&P tho.
I'm quite scared to post here actually, but its not Hatboy that puts me off. Not at all.
It's only 'cos I live here and have done for so long, that I dare to, but I still get seem to get flamed if ever I get too confident. Its not as bad as P&P tho.
well i don't live here and never have and so my opinion is irrelevant i just wanted to say that i enjoy reading this forum in a vicarious way i guess and have done ever since i joined - basically cos i feel that it epitomises the kind of local awareness and debate about local issues that i've felt was lacking in every place i've ever lived in.
anyway, i'm invisible so as you were ...
i just wanted to say that i enjoy reading this forum in a vicarious way i guess and have done ever since i joined - basically cos i feel that it epitomises the kind of local awareness and debate about local issues that i've felt was lacking in every place i've ever lived in.anyway, i'm invisible
so as you were ... We all have to examine ourselves and our hearts and minds in life. Obviously including me. For my part I will try and chill out a bit.
I appreciate what seems like a pretty friendly, laid-back response from Domski. But I have to say Domski, if things I say prompt you to examine yourself and you feel they apply to you that isn't my fault is it? There's lots of new posters I welcome with open arms. You immediately had a go at me about LJ. That wasn't either friendly or fair.
Athos - what difference does it make whether you live here or not? A big difference. If you live here you have an ongoing idea of what Brixton is like. If you don't you don't. That's obvious. If you can't even see that then what insights we can expect from you I don't know!
Like it or not I am better informed than you about what goes on here. I live here. Although I'll say again I reckon I only just about know enough to know how little I know!
And again, I'm not against change, just the unfair, discriminatory changes I've described. I do think Brixton is being sanitised for a new type of consumer. And the "young professional" does often have more conservative ideas than the artist/boho/drop-out types who have washed up here (like me) in the past. I do think Brixton's "clean-up" is something to do with the demands of the more conservative here and once cheap, if not unwanted property becoming very valuable.
Some of what's happening here is for good, but there's also alot of people who feel left out. There seems to be less tolerance of noise, less tolerance of weed, less tolerance of difference, more division in wealth - are we all sure Brixton's getting to be a better place?
Really?
I definitely see what another poster said about the Upper St lifestyle around central Brixton for some and then a whole other strata of people for whom the smart apartments and designer bars are entirely irrelevant.
If you're one of the people who dont notice that then open your eyes.
Please.
I appreciate what seems like a pretty friendly, laid-back response from Domski. But I have to say Domski, if things I say prompt you to examine yourself and you feel they apply to you that isn't my fault is it? There's lots of new posters I welcome with open arms. You immediately had a go at me about LJ. That wasn't either friendly or fair.
Athos - what difference does it make whether you live here or not? A big difference. If you live here you have an ongoing idea of what Brixton is like. If you don't you don't. That's obvious. If you can't even see that then what insights we can expect from you I don't know!
Like it or not I am better informed than you about what goes on here. I live here. Although I'll say again I reckon I only just about know enough to know how little I know!And again, I'm not against change, just the unfair, discriminatory changes I've described. I do think Brixton is being sanitised for a new type of consumer. And the "young professional" does often have more conservative ideas than the artist/boho/drop-out types who have washed up here (like me) in the past. I do think Brixton's "clean-up" is something to do with the demands of the more conservative here and once cheap, if not unwanted property becoming very valuable.
Some of what's happening here is for good, but there's also alot of people who feel left out. There seems to be less tolerance of noise, less tolerance of weed, less tolerance of difference, more division in wealth - are we all sure Brixton's getting to be a better place?
Really?
I definitely see what another poster said about the Upper St lifestyle around central Brixton for some and then a whole other strata of people for whom the smart apartments and designer bars are entirely irrelevant.
If you're one of the people who dont notice that then open your eyes.
Please.
Athos
Well-Known Member
hatboy said:
You haven't the first clue about me, and you have no idea where I live now, or where I have lived in the past! Yet, you're so confident that you're better informed than me. You are so arrogant it's unbelievable. You seem to think that you and only you knows or cares about Brixton. You're not even a Londoner for fuck's sake! You moved into Brixton and now think you're the only person who has a valid opinion on the place, and that, accordingly, you can bully everyone in this forum: editing people's posts, launching personal attacks on people, and threatening to ban them. Get over yourself, mate.
Thought you'd like that. I should have said "if you don't live here". You're right, you haven't said yet.
Does my comment "after fifteen years I've realised I know just enought to know how little I know" strike you as arrogant? You're a bit selective there because you've decided you don't like me. Chill out for fuck's sake. Everybody else is! LOL
Er, I think that is just my personality. Ooops! No offence taken. But no-one with any spunk is put off anyway.
Does my comment "after fifteen years I've realised I know just enought to know how little I know" strike you as arrogant? You're a bit selective there because you've decided you don't like me. Chill out for fuck's sake. Everybody else is! LOL
miss minnie said:
Er, I think that is just my personality. Ooops! No offence taken. But no-one with any spunk is put off anyway.
hatboy - i agree with a great deal of the way you feel about the problems brixton has, and the way the community is being squeezed out.
but i've lived in and around brixton for about as long as you, and spent a lot of my life here. and yet you've previously had a go at me because apparently i don't have friends here, don't have much involvement in the area. which patently isn't true.
so it doesn't seem as simple as a location or a longevity or a connection to the area. it has to be someone who's experience of brixton matches YOURS, someone who's brixton social network overlaps to a great extent with you, or their opinion seems to count less.
i drank in the canning for years and years and years, and the atlantic, and the albert obviously. i've been involved in some (not very much) brixton politics and goings-on, i've spent a lot of time in brixton, in the market, in the cafes and bars (including Mingles.. ) but i suspect you STILL don't consider me someone sufficiently embroiled in brixton life to have an opinion...
which rather begs the question who you DO think is qualified to have an opinion. other than yourself, of course..
sorry if that's harsh - i think a great deal of you - but i don't think you're as fair minded as you like to think or hope you are.
but i've lived in and around brixton for about as long as you, and spent a lot of my life here. and yet you've previously had a go at me because apparently i don't have friends here, don't have much involvement in the area. which patently isn't true.
so it doesn't seem as simple as a location or a longevity or a connection to the area. it has to be someone who's experience of brixton matches YOURS, someone who's brixton social network overlaps to a great extent with you, or their opinion seems to count less.
i drank in the canning for years and years and years, and the atlantic, and the albert obviously. i've been involved in some (not very much) brixton politics and goings-on, i've spent a lot of time in brixton, in the market, in the cafes and bars (including Mingles..
) but i suspect you STILL don't consider me someone sufficiently embroiled in brixton life to have an opinion...which rather begs the question who you DO think is qualified to have an opinion. other than yourself, of course..
sorry if that's harsh - i think a great deal of you - but i don't think you're as fair minded as you like to think or hope you are.
I was just weirded out by you being called Dubversion and loving reggae but never bumping into you at any reggae places round here.
What you say about only relating to people with identical experience or whatever is crap. Plenty of people see some truth in what I say. (But they don't have any interest in, or sometimes regular access to, internet bulletin boards). And I am trying to be truthful here. Perhaps I'm more subjective than I thought.
Anyway, could you all shut up and get out. We're trying to close now!
What you say about only relating to people with identical experience or whatever is crap. Plenty of people see some truth in what I say. (But they don't have any interest in, or sometimes regular access to, internet bulletin boards). And I am trying to be truthful here. Perhaps I'm more subjective than I thought.
Anyway, could you all shut up and get out. We're trying to close now!
hatboy said:
why? i go to aba shanti and university of dub - that's the kind of reggae i like. if i was called dancehallboy maybe you'd have a point..
hatboy said:IWhat you say about only relating to people with identical experience or whatever is crap.
but you've made it clear that i don't fit your bill in terms of someone sufficiently 'brixton' to offer much of an opinion. and i'd argue that in my time in and round the place - which as i say, roughly parallels yours in time at least - has involved different focusses and activities. but you seem to think that by not drinking in Harmony or buying my grass (i don't smoke, remember) at *********** or scarcely ever drinking in the old Queens, that i'm not as authentic as you in some way.
hatboy said:
hatboy, you muppet, I SEE some truth in what you say. lots of it.
i just think you operate a kind of brixtoncentric elitism that undermines your arguments sometimes.
No I don't think that. You've never really taken up my friendship from the beginning so I don't think about you much.
You've just done what Domski's done - attributed qualities to yourself that I haven't said.
I think it's good for all of us to examine ourselves. If YOU feel you are something you don't want to be or YOU feel guilty about something, then change it, or admit it to yourself. That's what I try to do.
Anyway, see you, etc.
Shit - that was a response to Dub's first post.
Response to second post - Yeah, that sounds fair. Maybe I do that a bit. But some of the arguments are still solid.
You've just done what Domski's done - attributed qualities to yourself that I haven't said.
I think it's good for all of us to examine ourselves. If YOU feel you are something you don't want to be or YOU feel guilty about something, then change it, or admit it to yourself. That's what I try to do.
Anyway, see you, etc.
Shit - that was a response to Dub's first post.
Response to second post - Yeah, that sounds fair. Maybe I do that a bit. But some of the arguments are still solid.
hatboy said:
not quite sure i follow that point, hatboy?
i've got lots and lots of mates,
i see some of them a lot, a lot of them some.
i think you're a nice bloke and i enjoy running into you. if you feel i've in some way rejected you or undervalued something, that seems a very odd thing to say....
hatboy said:
not true, hatboy. if i kept threads the way ern does i could refer you to the post where you criticised me for not being sufficiently, convincingly involved in brixton, and not having any friends there.
so i'm attributing nothing to myself, merely quoting your fallacious assumptions about me.
honestly - i'm not having a go, i guess i'm trying to use myself as an example to illustrate a wider point about the way you tend to judge people in this forum based on a remit which i think, i'm afraid, is narrower than you admit to yourself...
i was having a row with a workmate today about the selling off of social housing in brixton. as a ferndale road property owner, he's all for it (and used the 'it will benefit the wider area' argument) and i tried to explain the devastating effect it's having on the local people and the things about the area that make it somewhere great to live.hatboy said:"Odd" is alright now and then isn't it?
Or are the odd also due to be "ethnically cleansed" from the neighbourhood.
(I believe this, but I'm also joking. Hope that's clear).
hatboy, i AGREE with you, for fucks sake, almost all the time. i just think you are just as guilty of a kind of tunnel vision view of brixton as those you feel seek to gentrify the area according to THEIR own tunnel vision view of brixton. now i might share most of your viewpoint, but it doesn't mean i don't still see the prejudices that inform your take on the situation. i just don't think YOU see them.
"honestly - i'm not having a go, i guess i'm trying to use myself as an example to illustrate a wider point about the way you tend to judge people in this forum based on a remit which i think, i'm afraid, is narrower than you admit to yourself..."
I've said I'll think about that. OK? Peace.
I've said I'll think about that. OK? Peace.
hatboy said:
only in sufficiently mature company
Pickman's model said:
Personally, what I love most about them is their refreshing modesty!
People who don't live in Brixton, have never been or even can't stand the place should be allowed to post here I think - as long as they adhere to the FAQ/rules.
Lets not get all cliquey and elitist.
I don't want to boast, but I forgot to mention that I get complimented and thanked on a daily basis from various world leaders for my sagacious contributions to world peace and conflict resolution throughout the planet's trouble spots!
They don't have to and I wish they wouldn't - all that attention is a little embarrassing to be honest.
It is no effort and I don't mind, really!
PS - if anyone needs any dragons slayed, damsals rescued or mutinies crushed then fell free to PM me!
They don't have to and I wish they wouldn't - all that attention is a little embarrassing to be honest.
It is no effort and I don't mind, really!
PS - if anyone needs any dragons slayed, damsals rescued or mutinies crushed then fell free to PM me!
Rollem
two kinds of wonderful
pokes non brixton head into discussion
well, i for one think this forum has had the 'exlucsive' feel to it for some time, and am sure this discussion has been had before (in various forms)
does it stop me posting in here?
does it eck
i do sometimes feel that its moderating is ott, but to me thats a red rag to a bull. if people suggesting the views of 'outsiders' aren't welcome in here, cant see their own hypocrosy, i cant be bothered to waste my time pointing it out.
well, i for one think this forum has had the 'exlucsive' feel to it for some time, and am sure this discussion has been had before (in various forms)
does it stop me posting in here?
does it eck
i do sometimes feel that its moderating is ott, but to me thats a red rag to a bull. if people suggesting the views of 'outsiders' aren't welcome in here, cant see their own hypocrosy, i cant be bothered to waste my time pointing it out.
Athos
Well-Known Member
hatboy said:Thought you'd like that. I should have said "if you don't live here". You're right, you haven't said yet.
Does my comment "after fifteen years I've realised I know just enought to know how little I know" strike you as arrogant? You're a bit selective there because you've decided you don't like me. Chill out for fuck's sake. Everybody else is! LOL
Er, I think that is just my personality. Ooops! No offence taken. But no-one with any spunk is put off anyway.
I've not decided that I don't like you: I don't know you, and, unlike yourself, I tend to reserve judgement until I know a little about someone!
In fact, the consensus seems to be that you're a decent enough bloke face-to-face, and maybe we'd get on, but I know I'm not alone in finding your behaviour on the boards - more particularly, on this forum - a bit out of order.
You seem to think that your opinions are more valid/should carry more weight, than those of other people, about whom you don't know the first thing. You make this forum uninviting for many, and upset people by threatening posters with bans when they have done nothing more than you have (i.e. some out of order personal stuff), and editing others people's posts.
Perhaps you should take a look at yourself, especially if you're going to moderate this forum.
newbie
undisambiguated
Rollem said:
Aye, there's truth in that and I'm probably part of it and I'm sorry if anyone feels it. It's not intentional, on a conscious level fresh views are welcome, but it's hard to know the effect of the unconscious subtext of my own posts.
While hatboy has an obvious difficulty separating out his role as passionate poster from being the impartial, coolheaded mod, I really don't think he is entirely responsible for the level of scathing abuse that make this forum intimidating.
I've stopped bothering to post in this forum a lot of the time as I also feel it has become to intimidating, cliquey and frankly, just to much hassle.
For one, I'm a very poor typist and have some difficulty expressing myself in written form - I can more than keep up my end verbally. This gets jumped on by some as just wading in.
Another is, it's just become too tiresome.
If you don't get condecended by one of the gang of four, then you get flamed by another for 'not keeping up' or told that you haven't got a clue what your talking about just because happen to disagree.
And why does every little thing from shopping in Tesco's to a dance night at cafe cairo have to get turned into a political argument about fucking gentrification? Why can't some people accept that some others just aren't that polittically motivated, but are still are just as valid members of Brixton's community as anyone else and as such might well want to talk about minor traffic violations - It's just as valid IMO.
Hatboy, I've said before that I respect your commitment, but I think you confuse the line between moderater & editor - it is really not your place to try and mould this forum to your ideals.
It's a public bulliten board - people are allowed to discuss what ever they feel affects them, whether it be traffic violations or the selling off of council houses.
For one, I'm a very poor typist and have some difficulty expressing myself in written form - I can more than keep up my end verbally. This gets jumped on by some as just wading in.
Another is, it's just become too tiresome.
If you don't get condecended by one of the gang of four, then you get flamed by another for 'not keeping up' or told that you haven't got a clue what your talking about just because happen to disagree.
And why does every little thing from shopping in Tesco's to a dance night at cafe cairo have to get turned into a political argument about fucking gentrification? Why can't some people accept that some others just aren't that polittically motivated, but are still are just as valid members of Brixton's community as anyone else and as such might well want to talk about minor traffic violations - It's just as valid IMO.
Hatboy, I've said before that I respect your commitment, but I think you confuse the line between moderater & editor - it is really not your place to try and mould this forum to your ideals.
It's a public bulliten board - people are allowed to discuss what ever they feel affects them, whether it be traffic violations or the selling off of council houses.
