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Should London's Zonal system be scrapped?

PO, can't you at least answer the question of whether you own or rent?

BTW, I'm not sure why you're harping on about people in social housing who live in zones 1-3. Do you think most people in social housing are rich or something? Otherwise, why should they pay more for travel?
 
A lot of people balance rent against travel costs - higher rent/lower travel versus lower rent/higher travel. It's naive to assume that everyone who rents inside of zone 3 is minted, lots of people I know around Brixton/Stockwell can only just afford modest rooms in modest house shares - if travel costs increased, many would be forced to move further out. Which would just leave the better-off folk behind...
 
PacificOcean said:
The fucked up housing market is hardly "my mistake".

I cannot afford to live where I was brought up on my wages.

How is that my fault?
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i bought before it went mental.

I'm not saying it's your fault you can't afford to live in this myterious place where you were brought up with no name.

I'm dubious about your claim that the ONLY place you could possibly have moved to was in zone 6.



*waits for stels to say wether you are skinter than her or not*
 
I can't afford to buy either, despite living here for over 30 years. A boo fucking hoo to us both.

How much do you pay in

And for the last fucking time I loads of people, barely earning over a living wage, who live in Stockwell and Brixton. And no, they're not all subsidised by mates, relatives or have been given a council flat. I bet they would never have dreamed of buying expensive pre-prepared mash or subway meals regularly either.

Hell, how come impoverished Aussie barkeeps can find places locally, but you can't
 
scifisam said:
PO, can't you at least answer the question of whether you own or rent?

BTW, I'm not sure why you're harping on about people in social housing who live in zones 1-3. Do you think most people in social housing are rich or something? Otherwise, why should they pay more for travel?
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Own. Me?

I think you are missing my original point about how the landscape of London housing has changed.

Most of the stock has been sold off, so most ex-council places in Clapham are now desirable pads.

However, those of us that are working have been pushed further and further out to be able to afford somewhere to rent.

Where I grew up with my parents (and they still live) is HA and other houses on the street are now £750k (even thought they are not worth it - it's just the SW4 postcode).

What I am saying is - Yes I am poor and need to be banished out into the sticks, but then why am I paying extortionate fares when those who can now afford to live in Clapham get cheap fares?
 
quimcunx said:
i bought before it went mental.

I'm not saying it's your fault you can't afford to live in this myterious place where you were brought up with no name.

I'm dubious about your claim that the ONLY place you could possibly have moved to was in zone 6.



*waits for stels to say wether you are skinter than her or not*
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I'm waiting for PO's PM.

Can you hear gears grinding? :D
 
tarannau said:
Hell, how come impoverished Aussie barkeeps can find places locally, but you can't
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To be fair, Aussies will happily go 3 beds to a double room and share the rent.

Plenty of people living on pretty much minimum wage around Stockwell though.
 
tarannau said:
I can't afford to buy either, despite living here for over 30 years. A boo fucking hoo to us both.

How much do you pay in

And for the last fucking time I loads of people, barely earning over a living wage, who live in Stockwell and Brixton. And no, they're not all subsidised by mates, relatives or have been given a council flat. I bet they would never have dreamed of buying expensive pre-prepared mash or subway meals regularly either.

Hell, how come impoverished Aussie barkeeps can find places locally, but you can't
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SHUT UP TARANNAU!!!!ONE!! This does not fit in with PO's image of all of us in our council flats rolling in dosh.
 
I spent 5 years living in a lovely shared house, with a garden, that if I'd wanted would have happily accepted pets, that was £110 p/w inclusive of utilities except landline, in Athlone Road, just off Tulse Hill.

I've met people working for minimum wage living in places all over Z 2-3 that are OK to good, so TBH I don't know what you're going on about.
 
PacificOcean said:
Where I grew up with my parents (and they still live) is HA and other houses on the street are now £750k (even thought they are not worth it - it's just the SW4 postcode).
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I pay just over £90 week in SW2 and the house next door to me is up for sale @ £700k. Lots of London is like that.

There's still tons of run down LA estates around Clapham and Battersea and Stockwell too...
 
quimcunx said:
he should have sent you first. your finances are reasonably easy to verify.
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What, by enticing me out for a drink, following me home, hitting me over the head then riffling through the concertina file where I keep my pay slips?? :o
 
I rent a double room for £350 a month inclusive and i don't live in a shithole.

..except when stels and kanda are there making the place look untidy.
 
5t3IIa said:
What, by enticing me out for a drink, following me home, hitting me over the head then riffling through the concertina file where I keep my pay slips?? :o
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No because you were talking about them on here a few weeks back.


:rolleyes:

I really must get some work done.

starting with nipping out to the shop.
 
Oswaldtwistle said:
Interesting point. But is it fair? I'm gonna imagine a massively oversimplied Central Line, with only three stops- West Ruslip in Zone 6, Shepherds Bush in Zone 2, Bank- Zone 1

If I get on a Central line train at West Ruslip, I pay considerably more to commute to work at Bank than if I get on at Shepherd's Bush.

But the train is going all the way, regardless, and its cost of operation is basically fixed.

In order for the current pricing structure to be fair, there would have to be large numbers of people commuting from Ruslip to Shepherds Bush, then getting off..if fewer people get off at Shepherds Bush than on, then those commuting from Shepherds Bush to the centre are having their journies subsidised, surely? Because their seats are being carried,empty and for free from Ruslip until they get on?



I've got something wrong here I'm sure. Any Urbanites know owt about Economics? Is CityDreams passing I wonder?
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I think there is an economic argument to be had... and I reckon it'll be quite heated once it gets going. But for the moment, we're not being given any opportunity to re-evaluate TfL fares & ticketing policy.

An economic principle worth further examination by TfL is called marginal social cost pricing. The idea being is that each individual is charged according to how much disruption they cause. I don't think this can be applied to the simplistic central line example above as it is not necessary that a train runs all the way from one end of london to another to serve those in central London (iykwim)

Personally, I think fares need to be adjusted to take account of their impact on Climate Change and Air Quality.

And we all pay tax towards the running of TfL whether we use it or not. So there is also an argument that we should have some measure of 'free' travel. Well, I tried arguing it...

The GLA transport committe are doing a good job of challenging the Mayor over his fares policy.. whether it has any effect though...
 
quimcunx said:
SHUT UP TARANNAU!!!!ONE!! This does not fit in with PO's image of all of us in our council flats rolling in dosh.
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Bollocks x 3.

I am poor. I grew up in social housing, and now due to the Tories' Village Fate of the 80's re the selling of council homes there is now no stock.

Anyway, this is drifting well away from my original point regarding the zonal system.
 
PacificOcean said:
Own. Me?

I think you are missing my original point about how the landscape of London housing has changed.

Most of the stock has been sold off, so most ex-council places in Clapham are now desirable pads.

However, those of us that are working have been pushed further and further out to be able to afford somewhere to rent.

Where I grew up with my parents (and they still live) is HA and other houses on the street are now £750k (even thought they are not worth it - it's just the SW4 postcode).

What I am saying is - Yes I am poor and need to be banished out into the sticks, but then why am I paying extortionate fares when those who can now afford to live in Clapham get cheap fares?
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'Need to be banished out into the sticks,' hahahahaha!

Are you serious about rental prices in Clapham being hugely more than in zone 6? And Clapham isn't exactly central London itself.
 
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