Johnny Canuck3
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sleaterkinney said:
You're right: it didn't seem that long ago.
Yes, I think one possible answer to the problem, is a really healthy reparation payment made to every affected Palestinian.
Should Israel have been given to the Jews?
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You're right: it didn't seem that long ago.
Yes, I think one possible answer to the problem, is a really healthy reparation payment made to every affected Palestinian.
Spion
I hear ya
Johnny, quit your racist garbage, pleaseJohnny Canuck2 said:
Of course Israel is culpable. It, as beneficiary - along with Britain and the US as, respectively, architect of the problem and chief supporter since the 60s - should pay for a settlement. That could include return to Palestine for Palestinians as well as settlement in other countries, all predicated on the admission that a colossal crime was committed and should be righted.
How to pay for it? The Iraq war has cost half a trillion dollars so far - the Is-Pal situation could have been bought to halt with that kind of money. It's bizarre how the great powers are prepared to pay for war and not peace.
Johnny Canuck3
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Spion said:
What racist garbage. The people moving into the homes of those displaced palestinians, were jews.
That makes those jews, thieves.
Aren't you comfortable with your own conclusions?
ViolentPanda
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Johnny Canuck2 said:
I see that you're still having problems with context, Johnny.
Invisible: It is not as you are imagining. People are not fools. The area was never Ethnical Cleansed, as we can see by the many Arab setltements. Negev has how many Bedua? 130,00 to 140,000 including illegal settlements and nomadic encampments. there has also always been "Palestinians" in the area, no matter what you might think.
Yet, even knowing those Arabs lived there, we alos know the land is ours. For 2000 years of Exile we prayed in that direction, toasted it in out feasts, paryed about it daily. Make no mistake, Israelis are not children. Most know both sides of the dynamic. Most also know that no less than 4 Qassams have been hitting their streets despite our govt. having ceded Gaza fully.
"Gifthorse." Um, the land is the Jewish Homeland. Jews know this. Sorry if foreigners sometimes miss that point. THAT soil is iterally made with our bones.
This is reality.
"Reason why Invisible posted that article about the Galillean village..." Yes, ok, but why did you not tell us that? You posted it as is and that leads people to believe it is soem kind of irrefutable source. Of course many people remember what they want but EVERY THING the Arabs claimed was false save for the tombstones being in disrrepair and in going to my wife's family cemetery yesterday I saw the same thing it does not mean they are set for genocide. Things like that happen especially when the people who are related to those deceased disappear (i.e. flee into Lebanon).
Spion: See, this is what lets me know you have never been to the region. Jews, almost all, feel exactly the same as anyone, even "Palestinians." The enemy is terror, not Arabs. Arabs are closer to us than you as a whiteman could ever be. You miss this important point. We are both Semites. We are both tribal People. We are both devoted to family and home. You inisting that Israelis feel above others shows you have never been there.
Granted, you COULD just be delusional or a muckraker but I feel you are sincere in your feelings and are at least marginally in control of your actions so I believe you lie.
"Heated deabate among Zionists at the time about what they were doing." Yes, you rely on people like Morris to tell you this. Sorry but he was expposed in my country long ago. There are many reasons why people fail to take him seriously. Like many here he omits many passages both in context AND in excerpts directly attributed to a source. He mistranslates words like "evacuation" and instead nsters "eviction." BIG DIFFERENCE there.
Can I ask you Spion, have you EVER bothered to research Israel's position? I do relaise it would be way out of your comfort zone but it might help you to be taken seriously by more than then 8 synchophants here who echo you. You might finally obtain a modicum of integrity.
I can just imagine what peope here would say if I posted Israeli Govt. maps.
"Away from your books." Fair enough. But are your books from the Arab perspective? Try taking the Israeli one for balance.
Yet, even knowing those Arabs lived there, we alos know the land is ours. For 2000 years of Exile we prayed in that direction, toasted it in out feasts, paryed about it daily. Make no mistake, Israelis are not children. Most know both sides of the dynamic. Most also know that no less than 4 Qassams have been hitting their streets despite our govt. having ceded Gaza fully.
"Gifthorse." Um, the land is the Jewish Homeland. Jews know this. Sorry if foreigners sometimes miss that point. THAT soil is iterally made with our bones.
This is reality.
"Reason why Invisible posted that article about the Galillean village..." Yes, ok, but why did you not tell us that? You posted it as is and that leads people to believe it is soem kind of irrefutable source. Of course many people remember what they want but EVERY THING the Arabs claimed was false save for the tombstones being in disrrepair and in going to my wife's family cemetery yesterday I saw the same thing it does not mean they are set for genocide. Things like that happen especially when the people who are related to those deceased disappear (i.e. flee into Lebanon).
Spion: See, this is what lets me know you have never been to the region. Jews, almost all, feel exactly the same as anyone, even "Palestinians." The enemy is terror, not Arabs. Arabs are closer to us than you as a whiteman could ever be. You miss this important point. We are both Semites. We are both tribal People. We are both devoted to family and home. You inisting that Israelis feel above others shows you have never been there.
Granted, you COULD just be delusional or a muckraker but I feel you are sincere in your feelings and are at least marginally in control of your actions so I believe you lie.
"Heated deabate among Zionists at the time about what they were doing." Yes, you rely on people like Morris to tell you this. Sorry but he was expposed in my country long ago. There are many reasons why people fail to take him seriously. Like many here he omits many passages both in context AND in excerpts directly attributed to a source. He mistranslates words like "evacuation" and instead nsters "eviction." BIG DIFFERENCE there.
Can I ask you Spion, have you EVER bothered to research Israel's position? I do relaise it would be way out of your comfort zone but it might help you to be taken seriously by more than then 8 synchophants here who echo you. You might finally obtain a modicum of integrity.
I can just imagine what peope here would say if I posted Israeli Govt. maps.
"Away from your books." Fair enough. But are your books from the Arab perspective? Try taking the Israeli one for balance.
Invisible: "They left their souls in 'Palestine'.": Good, but they should have eft them in Hejaz where they came from. Not atop the bones of my ancestors.
Sleater: "Did they compensate Japanese?" I cannot answer Candian geopolitical questions BURT I DO know that Arabs were offered just compensation AND the ability to return per the 49 Armistice and UN Mediation up until 52. They made their proverbial bed.You gamble, do not cry when the dice do not roll your way.
Johnny: "Healty sum to ever 'Palestinian'.": Well that was already offered. I would go so far as to say that if any one living in 48 applied at this point, maybe Israel should consider it out of humantiarian concern but not out of moral consideration, and then only in 48 value. Faiur is fair. We should not be expected to foot the cost of soemthing we tried to give them half a century ago. Something they refused because they wished to destroy us.
Sleater: "Did they compensate Japanese?" I cannot answer Candian geopolitical questions BURT I DO know that Arabs were offered just compensation AND the ability to return per the 49 Armistice and UN Mediation up until 52. They made their proverbial bed.You gamble, do not cry when the dice do not roll your way.
Johnny: "Healty sum to ever 'Palestinian'.": Well that was already offered. I would go so far as to say that if any one living in 48 applied at this point, maybe Israel should consider it out of humantiarian concern but not out of moral consideration, and then only in 48 value. Faiur is fair. We should not be expected to foot the cost of soemthing we tried to give them half a century ago. Something they refused because they wished to destroy us.
Spion
I hear ya
OK. That's strange. Earlier this week you said . . .rachamim18 said:
rachamim18 said:
How are we meant to take seriously a man who can't remember what he said only a few days previously?
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Grandma Death
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Spion said:
Ownage again. I'm looking forward tothe next post from rach explaining this inconsistency. Of course he will ignore it-I'm deluding myself. This is what he always does.
Grandma Death
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rachamim18 said:
I think you're the last person on this planet to fucking lecture about integrity you charlatan.
Spion: Actually I said that I respect Morris in at least 3 current threads, and I do. His dillegence is to be admired. His factual evidence though is erroneous at best. He has been exposed in my country as a fraud (in terms of his data being wrong,etc., not his integrity - unlike Shahak, Chomsky,and Finkelstein) and while I am not sure if THAT bit is true, I am SURE that he believes what he says.
On that line I also admire certain Arab figures like Khaled Mesha'al. He makes no excuses and rarely if ever double talks. He says what he means, that they will not stop fighting until they get ALL the land and that they aim for total extermination of my people. Anyone who can say such distasteful things while meaning it irrespective of consequence deserves BIT OF RESPECT.
What would make you think I do not remember what I post? A civil person would ask me to expalin something they see as a dichotomy, oxymoron, etc. An uncivil person would seize any opportunity to try and belittle me, etc.
Again, no threads here save one iniated specifically over me concern me. They concern political issues,etc.
"After murdering so many people..." tell me Spion, is it Israeli murder that makes you so distressed or is it ALL murder...as in Arab aginst Israeli /Jew? I have seen you post many things laong these same lines BUT also always see you posting nothing at all when it comes crimes committed by Arabs against Israel. Care to answer?
"Can Rachamim recommend a source showing Israels position, Spion would enjoy that." You can easily Google it within a few seconds. Why not actually do it.
I remember some of my squadmates would ask me why I took alot of time to read HAMAS handbills,etc. I explained that in order to hate something you must first know it inside out. You obviously hate Israel and yet you know practically anything at all about it.
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On that line I also admire certain Arab figures like Khaled Mesha'al. He makes no excuses and rarely if ever double talks. He says what he means, that they will not stop fighting until they get ALL the land and that they aim for total extermination of my people. Anyone who can say such distasteful things while meaning it irrespective of consequence deserves BIT OF RESPECT.
What would make you think I do not remember what I post? A civil person would ask me to expalin something they see as a dichotomy, oxymoron, etc. An uncivil person would seize any opportunity to try and belittle me, etc.
Again, no threads here save one iniated specifically over me concern me. They concern political issues,etc.
"After murdering so many people..." tell me Spion, is it Israeli murder that makes you so distressed or is it ALL murder...as in Arab aginst Israeli /Jew? I have seen you post many things laong these same lines BUT also always see you posting nothing at all when it comes crimes committed by Arabs against Israel. Care to answer?
"Can Rachamim recommend a source showing Israels position, Spion would enjoy that." You can easily Google it within a few seconds. Why not actually do it.
I remember some of my squadmates would ask me why I took alot of time to read HAMAS handbills,etc. I explained that in order to hate something you must first know it inside out. You obviously hate Israel and yet you know practically anything at all about it.
(Edited for spelling)
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