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Should Foreign Prisoners be punished twice?

GarfieldLeChat said:
how is this relevant you knee jerk twat... rape isn't defined y culture or ethnicicity... btw what with the two whites don't make a wrong location ... trolly... reg'ed in oct 2002 yet only posting now... sniff sniff...

...and yet someone who comes along and infects what was a perfectly civil debate with all manner of insults, ludicrous analogies and odd little ...-bits isnt trolling at all.
 
scarecrow said:
Come on Garf, champion the foreign victims like you do the perpetrators :D
yup fine all victims of serious crime need to have this address can you quote where i have said otherwise...

scarecrow said:
Or have I reached check-mate?

let's face it you'd be hard pressed to make a plaid mate ...
scarecrow said:
Do they just attack Daily mail readers?
god that would be nice, however whose they serious criminals or forgien serious criminals see i cannot see the need for a distinction between serious criminals and forgien serious criminals moreover our penal system is based on the concept of rehablitiation and that once time has been served there should be no further action are you proposing to remove this and set up a discriminatory vengence clause for all serious criminals or just the forgien ones...
 
agricola said:
...and yet someone who comes along and infects what was a perfectly civil debate with all manner of insults, ludicrous analogies and odd little ...-bits isnt trolling at all.
no love i cannot beleive that this level of daily mail knee jerk inaccurate right wing bollocks has been allowed to fester here all day ... there is nothing civilised about a group of people getting together and pronoucing another group they know nothing about other than they are from a different part of the world and deciding that this factor should equate to the level of their sentence... it's racist... if you dislike being called out as one then simply alter the manner in which you deal with this subject...

start addressing the issues to do with imigration like an adult instead of the scapegoating wealsey manner you are doing on this thread...

what is particularlly worring is your comments considering your profession in the real world, one hopes that no one forgien ever has to ask you for serious help...
 
lunatrick said:
a rhetorical question no?
no no why not send em all to van diemans land ... :rolleyes: after all this is england zero tollerence for serious crime...

can any of you jackbooted thugs pull up figures on what percentage of serious crime is perportrated by forgieners...

or is this circle jerk merely to mutually masterbate your rabid racist ways into extasy....
 
zenie said:
(Because I think this will get lost in the Question time thread)

Following on from this thread here

What should be done about foreign criminals, should they be punished twice so therefore be deported on release or not?

My view was this: “If we are going to deport after prisoners have done their time then why not deport in the first place rather than waste tax payers’ money?”

Somehow I don’t think instant deportation for criminals is a good idea.

They serve their time as a punishment and as a form of 'justice' to their victims.

As to punishment twice.

Why should we reward them for being criminals?

Hey, you made the claim in the first place, if Deportation is a Punishment, then surely allowing them to stay is a Reward?

So should we reward immigrants for commiting crimes in this country?
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
no love i cannot beleive that this level of daily mail knee jerk inaccurate right wing bollocks has been allowed to fester here all day ... there is nothing civilised about a group of people getting together and pronoucing another group they know nothing about other than they are from a different part of the world and deciding that this factor should equate to the level of their sentence... it's racist... if you dislike being called out as one then simply alter the manner in which you deal with this subject...

start addressing the issues to do with imigration like an adult instead of the scapegoating wealsey manner you are doing on this thread...

what is particularlly worring is your comments considering your profession in the real world, one hopes that no one forgien ever has to ask you for serious help...

Ah yes, the self-appointed moral arbiter comes along and devastates the straw-men with his "logic".

Would be impressive, except for the fact that the arbiter is so deeply wide of the mark. Immigration is by definition racist, discriminating as it does in favour of people from one country against people who arent from that country, but its about as racist as England only picking people who qualify to play for England, or Ghana only picking people who qualify to play for Ghana - ie racist only to those of us who are deeply and irrelevantly hypersensitive. One would have thought there were more important things to cry racism at Garfield, starting perhaps with things that were actually racist.

I wonder how your tone of outrage in the last post compares with your first troll?:

intresting that the pro deportation camp which is near 100% of this thread is frankly thick as shit when it comes to accuratley assesing the level of poverty which imigrants are generally in particularlly those from war torn or oppressive states/ countries who are already criminalised by accident of birth in many cases or for being poor, are then forced into a situation where they cannot under current legislation work in things they are qualified in or for that matter on many occasions work at all, are given the paltry sum of £36 to live on per week and told they cannot by anything in cash, are for the first few months hearded together like cattle in detention centers little better than concetration camps, like yarls wood... where the staff beat and mistreat you on a regular if not daily basis....

and then there is outcry that these ungreatful wreatches dare to steal or sell drugs or commit other acts against 'real citizens' f this country when they are guests here... it's nothing short of pomposity of the highest order brought about by backwater colonialist attitudes and frankly a strong under current of racism...

so it's this threads conept, it's essence, that instituionalised state sacntions brutality to a group least able to defend itself is perfectly acceptable cos it's not as bad as they'd get at home... i wonder if it would be perfectly acceptable to finger children who were victims of child abuse as long as you didn't fuck them because after all they'd be getting better treatment than they do at home...

you bunch of totaly cock jockey right wing knee jerk guilable toss monkies...

everyone of you who supports the deportation argument...

Positively Ciceronian!

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
how is this relevant you knee jerk twat... rape isn't defined y culture or ethnicicity... btw what with the two whites don't make a wrong location ... trolly... reg'ed in oct 2002 yet only posting now... sniff sniff...

If you spent as much time trying to understand what I'm saying instead of ranting incomprehensible nonsense we may get somewhere.

As for two whites don't make a wong - A result of this thread

Keep up sonny.
 
Pigeon said:
But how many of the poor saps all this palaver's been about are "serious" criminals?

ALL my comments have been with reference to serious crimes. Poor saps don't generally commit serious crimes unless they are, in fact, not saps enough to know what they could gain out of it.
 
scarecrow said:
Whilst we're on the subject of prejudice, why the blatently homophobic insults?
i'd love you to back this one up... i call you a cock jockey it's because you are... a cock jockey, if you find this derogitory then that's your issue... i think you'd be hard pressed to pin that bullshit on me ...

as for lock and light laughing ... yeah right and i'm from the moon...
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i'd love you to back this one up... i call you a cock jockey it's because you are... a cock jockey, if you find this derogitory then that's your issue... i think you'd be hard pressed to pin that bullshit on me ...

Well, so much for your debating skills :D

Get back to your comfy middle class existence eh, tarquin?
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i'd love you to back this one up... i call you a cock jockey it's because you are... a cock jockey, if you find this derogitory then that's your issue... i think you'd be hard pressed to pin that bullshit on me ...

as for lock and light laughing ... yeah right and i'm from the moon...

funny that "cock jockey" escaped censure on homophobic grounds, but asking you to spellcheck results in at least two references to me picking on the disabled.
 
agricola said:
funny that "cock jockey" escaped censure on homophobic grounds, but asking you to spellcheck results in at least two references to me picking on the disabled.
well yes as a bisexual male i think it would be quite impossible for me to be homophobic unless i was to first hate my own kind... however you demanding someone you know to be dyslexic use a spell checker is discrimination, can you see. Just as saying all serious criminals should be deported is an extremist but equitiable comment but saying forgien serious criminals is racist...

moreover i notice that you have failed to respond to the time served argument which is about rehabilitation, but then you don't seem to give much creedance to that, they are all guilty eh...
 
Lock&Light said:
That's even less funny, Garf. :(
awr paw yooo here have a pat on the head...

let's face it whether it's one reason or another you are one of the most miserable people here you seem to go out of your way to be sardonic....
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
awr paw yooo here have a pat on the head...

You not only don't help your 'case', Garf, with such dribbles, but you positively damage it. (Should you have a case, of course, rather than just an enormous chip on your shoulder).
 
I would be quite happy to see serious criminals deported, whatever they are being deported to.

I would not lose a minute's sleep over their fate.

People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. They would have brought their fate on themselves.

Giles..
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
well yes as a bisexual male i think it would be quite impossible for me to be homophobic unless i was to first hate my own kind... however you demanding someone you know to be dyslexic use a spell checker is discrimination, can you see. Just as saying all serious criminals should be deported is an extremist but equitiable comment but saying forgien serious criminals is racist...

moreover i notice that you have failed to respond to the time served argument which is about rehabilitation, but then you don't seem to give much creedance to that, they are all guilty eh...

"Know to be dyslexic"? Forgive me, but I dont bother to remember that much about comments made on here, never mind from people who seem to have no point to make.

Also where did rehabilitation come into the debate? If you care to look at my posts you'll see I personally think that prisons perform no other task particularly well other than keeping criminals away from the general public, and preventing crime as a result.
 
GarfieldLeChat said:
i'd love you to back this one up... i call you a cock jockey it's because you are... a cock jockey, if you find this derogitory then that's your issue... i think you'd be hard pressed to pin that bullshit on me ...

Get lost, windowlicker, haven't you and pbman got a date?
 
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