Should Foreign Prisoners be punished twice?

[Donna Ferentes]

For the reasons listed above.

If you abuse the country thats given you sanctuary by attacking or stealing from the people from that country then you not only harm them, but also everyone else who comes looking for help - as we see with the rise of the BNP and widespread anti-immigrant rhetoric generally.

The problem is that while the first part of that is true, the second part suggests that the anti-immigrant rhetoric is connected to actual, real things. I rather think that it is not.

 

[agricola]

intresting that the pro deportation camp which is near 100% of this thread is frankly thick as shit when it comes to accuratley assesing the level of poverty which imigrants are generally in particularlly those from war torn or oppressive states/ countries who are already criminalised by accident of birth in many cases or for being poor, are then forced into a situation where they cannot under current legislation work in things they are qualified in or for that matter on many occasions work at all, are given the paltry sum of £36 to live on per week and told they cannot by anything in cash, are for the first few months hearded together like cattle in detention centers little better than concetration camps, like yarls wood... where the staff beat and mistreat you on a regular if not daily basis....

and then there is outcry that these ungreatful wreatches dare to steal or sell drugs or commit other acts against 'real citizens' f this country when they are guests here... it's nothing short of pomposity of the highest order brought about by backwater colonialist attitudes and frankly a strong under current of racism...

so it's this threads conept, it's essence, that instituionalised state sacntions brutality to a group least able to defend itself is perfectly acceptable cos it's not as bad as they'd get at home... i wonder if it would be perfectly acceptable to finger children who were victims of child abuse as long as you didn't fuck them because after all they'd be getting better treatment than they do at home...

you bunch of totaly cock jockey right wing knee jerk guilable toss monkies...

everyone of you who supports the deportation argument...

Thats easily the most useless thing I have ever read. Garfield I would like the minute of my time I wasted in reading it back.

 

[bluestreak]

You are, again, trying to misrepresent me. Shame on you!

well, that told me.

*flounces*

 

[zenie]

Thats easily the most useless thing I have ever read. Garfield I would like the minute of my time I wasted in reading it back.

Speed read you'll feel less cheated after

 

[agricola]

The problem is that while ther first part of that is true, the second part suggests that the anti-immigrant rhetoric is connected to actual, real things. I rather think that it is not.

No, but incidents like that provides those people with an excuse to peddle their (usually racist) views, which is how we find ourselves in the situation we are in. If we had a simple, easily understood and fair system whereby people who committed crimes were removed from the country then it would be that much harder to use incidents with which to reinforce those racist views.

FWIW, if it was up to me I would just make non-offending a condition of a persons leave to remain in the UK.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Thats easily the most useless thing I have ever read. Garfield I would like the minute of my time I wasted in reading it back.

frankly i'd like my cash back from my council tax which go to funding institionalised racist coppers but hey i guess some ones got to play that roll ...

 

[agricola]

frankly i'd like my cash back from my council tax which go to funding institionalised racist coppers but hey i guess some ones got to play that roll ...

you could spend it on a spell-checker!

 

[zenie]

frankly i'd like my cash back from my council tax which go to funding institionalised racist coppers but hey i guess some ones got to play that roll ...

Agreed

But what's your solution then Garf?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

you could spend it on a spell-checker!

or those coppers who insist on picking on the disabled fuck me you are on fine fetle today if it's not the nignog's it's the spackers eh? copper...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Agreed

But what's your solution then Garf?

one copper one bullet, i mean most cops are alright there are some who are totaly cunts but if they are met, then they are meat...

how about we stop attempting attribute crime and punishment, and we stop the whole concept of vengence whether on a person level or at state level and we look the root cause of crime... make things treat the cuase nto the symptoms... rather than install racist, homophobic, disabled discriminating, boot boy's who do little but act as a reactive and largely inflamitory force...

 

[agricola]

one copper one bullet, i mean most cops are alright there are some who are totaly cunts but if they are met, then they are meat...

how about we stop attempting attribute crime and punishment, and we stop the whole concept of vengence whether on a person level or at state level and we look the root cause of crime... make things treat the cuase nto the symptoms... rather than install racist, homophobic, disabled discriminating, boot boy's who do little but act as a reactive and largely inflamitory force...

lets blame noone for their own actions then! except the old bill!

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

No, but incidents like that provides those people with an excuse to peddle their (usually racist) views, which is how we find ourselves in the situation we are in. If we had a simple, easily understood and fair system whereby people who committed crimes were removed from the country then it would be that much harder to use incidents with which to reinforce those racist views.

FWIW, if it was up to me I would just make non-offending a condition of a persons leave to remain in the UK.

what a load of racist tosh

so you would make it a condition, which is not universally applicable to all ....

fuck me a spacker takes on the thick bacon and points out his shit...

come on poker sort the spacka out... him hit with the trunchon after all no one will be able to tell if the spacka talked like that in the first place eh sarg....

 

[Donna Ferentes]

FWIW, if it was up to me I would just make non-offending a condition of a persons leave to remain in the UK.

I'm not sure you can actually do that. And besides, what are your definitions of non-offending or your time limits? (If somebody commits a parking offence in thirty years...)

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

No, but incidents like that provides those people with an excuse to peddle their (usually racist) views, which is how we find ourselves in the situation we are in. If we had a simple, easily understood and fair system whereby people who committed crimes were removed from the country then it would be that much harder to use incidents with which to reinforce those racist views.

FWIW, if it was up to me I would just make non-offending a condition of a persons leave to remain in the UK.

what a load of racist tosh

so you would make it a condition, which is not universally applicable to all ....

fuck me a spacker takes on the thick bacon and points out his shit...

come on porker sort the spacka out... him hit with the trunchon after all no one will be able to tell if the spacka talked like that in the first place eh sarg....

 

[agricola]

I'm not sure you can actually do that. And besides, what are your definitions of non-offending or your time limits? (If somebody commits a parking offence in thirty years...)

I'd say between five to ten years duration from arrival/registry to full citizenship, no "citizenship test" farce as we have now, and would define "offending" as being found guilty of an imprisonable offence, with a presumption that you would be removed if you breached that condition of non-offending. I'd also get rid of the "You cannot work until you get leave to remain... rubbish". Immigrant workers would have exactly the same rights - minimum wage, union representation etc - as everyone else.

The prospective applicant would first have to contact a UK embassy or consulate, if not in their own country then at the first available one. They could then get registered onto the system and come over here legally and without being forced into the hands of people smuggling gangs, who of course are behind so many of the evils that immigrants coming to this country face.

Immigration staff would be expected to grant entry, unless there were grounds not to (ie: previous failed application (identifiable by fingerprints), illegal entry to the UK - in this system there would be no need to sneak in because they would let you in or possibly because of criminal behaviour elsewhere, though this would depend on the circumstances). They could then focus their energies on identifying and removing the people who should not be here.

 

[Pigeon]

We have been talking about SERIOUS crime, TAE.

But how many of the poor saps all this palaver's been about are "serious" criminals?

And how many of them are people with no option other than to work illegally/go shopping with the 5 finger discount having had all their benefits stopped after a refusal of an asylum claim on spurious grounds?

 

[Pigeon]

Littlejohn suggested that they shouldn't have committed a crime in their home country if torture was a possibility. Like being Kurdish in Iraq or Turkey, or holding opposing religious views in Sudan. What an odious scumbag that man is.

Or being gay in Iran. Still, Littlecock probably affects to agree with the Mullahs on that one, odious little closet case that he is.

 

[Fruitloop]

I'd say between five to ten years duration from arrival/registry to full citizenship, no "citizenship test" farce as we have now, and would define "offending" as being found guilty of an imprisonable offence, with a presumption that you would be removed if you breached that condition of non-offending. I'd also get rid of the "You cannot work until you get leave to remain... rubbish". Immigrant workers would have exactly the same rights - minimum wage, union representation etc - as everyone else.

The prospective applicant would first have to contact a UK embassy or consulate, if not in their own country then at the first available one. They could then get registered onto the system and come over here legally and without being forced into the hands of people smuggling gangs, who of course are behind so many of the evils that immigrants coming to this country face.

Immigration staff would be expected to grant entry, unless there were grounds not to (ie: previous failed application (identifiable by fingerprints), illegal entry to the UK - in this system there would be no need to sneak in because they would let you in or possibly because of criminal behaviour elsewhere, though this would depend on the circumstances). They could then focus their energies on identifying and removing the people who should not be here.

I do reckon that a sort of probation period could be a reasonable compromise. In NZ you need 3 years of residency with a clean slate in order to get citizenship.

 

[scarecrow]

intresting that the pro deportation camp which is near 100% of this thread is frankly thick as shit when it comes to accuratley assesing the level of poverty which imigrants are generally in particularlly those from war torn or oppressive states/ countries who are already criminalised by accident of birth in many cases or for being poor, are then forced into a situation where they cannot under current legislation work in things they are qualified in or for that matter on many occasions work at all, are given the paltry sum of £36 to live on per week and told they cannot by anything in cash, are for the first few months hearded together like cattle in detention centers little better than concetration camps, like yarls wood... where the staff beat and mistreat you on a regular if not daily basis....

So I hope you're really fucking understanding if one of them rapes your lass then.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

So I hope you're really fucking understanding if one of them rapes your lass then.

yeah sure cos that mysoginy is releavant right i mean rape by a nignog is some much worse that rape by a pure bloody eh son... cultrually reltivisit twat...

 

[Pigeon]

So I hope you're really fucking understanding if one of them rapes your lass then.

Wanker.

 

[scarecrow]

yeah sure cos that mysoginy is releavant right i mean rape by a nignog is some much worse that rape by a pure bloody eh son... cultrually reltivisit twat...

Stop attaching labels to me to suit your drug-induced ideals. My gf is a 'nignog' and - wait a minute - her visa has ran out aswell! What would I - a cultural puritan - ever be doing with someone from a racial underclass?

Of course rapists of all colours were all done up the ass by their dad as kids, did a paper round to earn a living for their family of 67 in Beirut and got their hand amputated for nicking sweets when they were ten.

They deserve our full support and compassion once they are released, even if it's to the detriment of someone we are close to and love.

 

[scarecrow]

What a lot of presumptious pricks like Garfield-le-chat seem to forget is that 'foreigners' can be the victims of these very crimes we speak of.

 

[scarecrow]

Come on Garf, champion the foreign victims like you do the perpetrators

Or have I reached check-mate? Do they just attack Daily mail readers?

walk them in the room and then close the door.

 

[lunatrick]

intresting that the pro deportation camp which is near 100% of this thread is frankly thick as shit when it comes to accuratley assesing the level of poverty which imigrants are generally in particularlly those from war torn or oppressive states/ countries who are already criminalised by accident of birth in many cases or for being poor, are then forced into a situation where they cannot under current legislation work in things they are qualified in or for that matter on many occasions work at all, are given the paltry sum of £36 to live on per week and told they cannot by anything in cash, are for the first few months hearded together like cattle in detention centers little better than concetration camps, like yarls wood... where the staff beat and mistreat you on a regular if not daily basis....

and then there is outcry that these ungreatful wreatches dare to steal or sell drugs or commit other acts against 'real citizens' f this country when they are guests here... it's nothing short of pomposity of the highest order brought about by backwater colonialist attitudes and frankly a strong under current of racism...

so it's this threads conept, it's essence, that instituionalised state sacntions brutality to a group least able to defend itself is perfectly acceptable cos it's not as bad as they'd get at home... i wonder if it would be perfectly acceptable to finger children who were victims of child abuse as long as you didn't fuck them because after all they'd be getting better treatment than they do at home...

you bunch of totaly cock jockey right wing knee jerk guilable toss monkies...

everyone of you who supports the deportation argument...

what a total load of bullshit - I think most people commenting on this thread were talking about serious violent or sexual crime........there's a massive amount of foreign nationals working in this country with no problems at all....so what does poverty have to do with it? nothing. we're talking about about a small number of violent criminals, who let's face it are going to add nothing to the country apart from misery. good riddance.

 

[scarecrow]

what a total load of bullshit - I think most people commenting on this thread were talking about serious violent or sexual crime........there's a massive amount of foreign nationals working in this country with no problems at all....so what does poverty have to do with it? nothing. we're talking about about a small number of violent criminals, who let's face it are going to add nothing to the country apart from misery. good riddance.

Garfield seems to forget about the poverty and hardships that some of the victims of these crimes have also endured in the past. Christ, they're not the bogeymen hiding under bushes that the daily mail paints them out to be. They attack people in their OWN COMMUNITIES and when they are released that is probably where they will return.

 

[lunatrick]

exactly......


since when did poverty mean violent criminals? never..

total rubbish...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

do you intend to kick out british nationals for serious crimes?

 

[agricola]

do you intend to kick out british nationals for serious crimes?

um.. no?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Stop attaching labels to me to suit your drug-induced ideals. My gf is a 'nignog' and - wait a minute - her visa has ran out aswell! What would I - a cultural puritan - ever be doing with someone from a racial underclass?

Of course rapists of all colours were all done up the ass by their dad as kids, did a paper round to earn a living for their family of 67 in Beirut and got their hand amputated for nicking sweets when they were ten.

They deserve our full support and compassion once they are released, even if it's to the detriment of someone we are close to and love.

how is this relevant you knee jerk twat... rape isn't defined y culture or ethnicicity... btw what with the two whites don't make a wrong location ... trolly... reg'ed in oct 2002 yet only posting now... sniff sniff...