Bolded bit : Which people/forces do you think are the most determined to make sure voters only see him as rubbish? Have a think about that.
Should Ed Milliband Resign?
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Bolded bit : Which people/forces do you think are the most determined to make sure voters only see him as rubbish? Have a think about that.
not-bono-ever
meh
headline aside, Balls was a contemporary of cameron at Oxford (and got a better PPE degree IIRC) - not much of a choice really
are there any other viable Labour options ? Im not really aware of them
weltweit
Well-Known Member
I don't feel the need, the answer is obvious.
I don't feel voters feel love for Milliband and that makes the result in 6 months rather worrying.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not even Sir Helenus Padraic Seosamh Milmo's grandson?
not-bono-ever
meh
i had to google that!
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What's the difference? The only one I can see is that if Labour get in, 3 or 4 years of government may force the unions to break the link. If he doesn't they might have to anyway.
savoloysam
Standing on the edge of the Hoover Dam
Post election he may not have a choice.
If there is nobody in the Labour Party more electable than Milly Band then they really are screwed.
If there is nobody in the Labour Party more electable than Milly Band then they really are screwed.
weltweit
Well-Known Member
If Cameron gets in more of the same and we may be out of the EU!
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What's that Lassie? WE MAY BE OUT OF THE EU? Golly! Better get down the local Labour party office and help get out the vote for Ed then!
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
DownwardDog
Well-Known Member
DC got a 1st didn't he? I think the Telegraph once emphatically assured me that he was a very good student.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Honestly? Have you been watching Scotland?
Can you imagine the pressure 5 years of Labour austerity will put on McCluskey and co?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
but labour have acted contrary to union aims for most of its existence, theres never been a break before has there? (I think GMB made noises about breaking labour ties couple of years back tho
)
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Surely you must recognise a qualitative difference between Labour before Kinnock and after Kinnock? And that after 40 years of NuLabour a generation have grown up who hold no loyalty to them? Especially now that the achievements of the Attlee government are all but gone?
CWU, GMB and Unite have all made noise at various points in the last few years. I grant you the Unison bureaucracy may never break but it's worth bearing in mind that sections of their membership are in open revolt at the moment.
CWU, GMB and Unite have all made noise at various points in the last few years. I grant you the Unison bureaucracy may never break but it's worth bearing in mind that sections of their membership are in open revolt at the moment.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I know you're SP so kninnock is the great satan but wilson was an not ameliorating force for one example. Beer and etc.
I suppose the difference pre and post is that labour listened and negotiated with its union base before whereas in this era its take the money and back calls for a 50% quorum on actions
I suppose the difference pre and post is that labour listened and negotiated with its union base before whereas in this era its take the money and back calls for a 50% quorum on actions
coley
Well-Known Member
A nice little win on the lottery?
coley
Well-Known Member
That being the only positive thing on the political horizon
Why on earth should he resign? He is clearly doing what he can, whether he is effective is a different matter. Personally I don't believe he has sufficient popular belief, but then our political system really promotes this. If we voted for PM and supporting party it might be different.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Exactly, and that matters.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What, so we could elect Cameron as PM and the LP as the governing party theoretically?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
No, because that would never happen unless they were politically so close that it made no difference, as happens in the States unfortunately!
No, good job we have two politically distinct parties... Oh wait. We don't.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Which pretty much closes the thread. Night all.
For comedy value, yes he should stay. He's the most uncharismatic political leader I've ever seen. He makes Gordon Brown seem positively cuddly.
But leaving aside the laughs every time he takes to the tv, yes he should be replaced. There has to be SOMEONE better and capable of getting rid of these cunty Tories. Even a directionless Labour Party is preferable to the current mob.
But leaving aside the laughs every time he takes to the tv, yes he should be replaced. There has to be SOMEONE better and capable of getting rid of these cunty Tories. Even a directionless Labour Party is preferable to the current mob.
It is the middle classes that will decide whether Miliband gets Number 10.
Labour has been distancing itself from workers, the poor and the unions since 1979. By not supporting the strikes from the late 70s onward, by letting the local Labour groups in the communities go to seed and denying local Labour Party members the chance to choose their own candidates, not repealing the anti trade union laws and generally trying to carry out Thatcherite type policies. Miliband is leader, it would be ridiculous at this time for him to resign. People where I work including ex miners and union members are seriously considering and some may have already voted for UKIP. That's how shot the system and political landscape is. No matter who is in charge the millionaire funded media will tell the public who to vote for and like lambs they will continue albeit with smaller turnouts to isolation from Europe and social devastation at home.
Labour has been distancing itself from workers, the poor and the unions since 1979. By not supporting the strikes from the late 70s onward, by letting the local Labour groups in the communities go to seed and denying local Labour Party members the chance to choose their own candidates, not repealing the anti trade union laws and generally trying to carry out Thatcherite type policies. Miliband is leader, it would be ridiculous at this time for him to resign. People where I work including ex miners and union members are seriously considering and some may have already voted for UKIP. That's how shot the system and political landscape is. No matter who is in charge the millionaire funded media will tell the public who to vote for and like lambs they will continue albeit with smaller turnouts to isolation from Europe and social devastation at home.
Looby
Well-Known Member
That was a conversation for 2 years ago, not 6 months before the election. It's too late and to replace him now would be disastrous. They won't get anyone in place before Christmas and whoever it is will be launched straight in to the campaign. They'll be fannying around sorting this shit out when they need to spend their time now showing they've actually got some credible policies.
I just want the LP to have the fucking guts to ignore all the Europe/immigration/UKIP bullshit and let the others scrap it out over the eurosceptic/right wing/racist vote.
Looby
Well-Known Member
Really? I can't see it at all but I hope you're right (even though I'm not a Labour supporter).
I don't want charismatic, I want strong and serious. If people would realise it shouldn't be a fucking popularity contest, we wouldn't be facing Farage and Johnson getting elected. I quite liked Brown's dour thing, it was refreshing after years of smarmy Tony and all his bloody smiling.
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