Should Cadburys remain British, does it matter?

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by weltweit, Nov 9, 2009.

  1. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    Yes, Cadburys should definitely remain British - I'm from Birmingham and very proud of our home industries.

    They should tell Kraft where to stick their insulting offer!
  2. Herbsman.

    Herbsman. Free the Poppy

    You're all forgetting about Cadbury Trebor Basset.

    CS now = Cadbury plc

    CTB now = Cadbury UK
  3. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It most certainly is chocolate, and mighty fine at that. Whether it matches the EU/US definition of the stuff is irrelevant to that fact.

    Ever eaten US 'chocolate'? OMG, It's vile!
  4. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    No I haven't, but I'd imagine it's probably of the same quality as American 'cheese' :D

    I don't know the ins and outs of it but I thought it was to do with either the quantity of cocoa used or the process to make it. All I know is that Belgian or Swiss chocolate tastes so much better and 'chocolatey' than anything Cadbury's makes.
  5. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It's because vegetable oil is used in the manufacture of Cadburys.

    In the US that doesn't make it chocolate, whereas sugar-infested concoctions like Hesheys are allowed to be labelled as chocolate.

    The biggest ingredient in Hersheys is sugar. In Cadburys, it's milk. 'Nuff said.
  6. quimcunx

    quimcunx Too tall.

    They didn't survive intact from being taken over by cadbury. IIRC all the bars were fair trade before, now only the mayan gold one is.

    I don't want Kraft to takeover Cadbury. I'm still smarting from the whole Nestlé/Rowntree disgrace.
  7. Cid

    Cid 慢慢走

    Cadbury's is pretty shit, but it does at least taste chocolaty I suppose... Anyway, loads of the shops in France, Italy sell which isn't much better ime.
  8. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    No, I don't want Kraft to takeover Cadbury either.

    But it is more to do with wanting British companies to remain British than anything else. Plus I "think" Cadbury has a reputation of good corporate governance.

    Faceless multinationals can become ruthless and soulless, I read editors post on the previous page with interest about the Kraft plant in South America. It certainly seems that Kraft are basically a pretty ruthless corporation.
  9. quimcunx

    quimcunx Too tall.

    I don't want the world to be reduced to 10 transnational megacorporations who provide us with everything from chocolate to education to tv programmes to jewellery to medical services.
  10. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Luckily I don't think that will happen.

    What seems to happen is when corporations get too large, they stifle innovation because of control from the centre, their returns fall and a corporate raider buys the lot and breaks it up into smaller more logical units.

    It seems similar to what happens to an empire when it gets too big, it becomes unwieldy, control is not what it was and decline sets in.
  11. Pie 1

    Pie 1 The fuck did I do?


  12. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    That yellow stuff is scaring me.
  13. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    I had this once in America.

    The boundaries for definition of 'cheese' are entirely questionable in this instance.

  14. Chz

    Chz Stark Raving Sane

    Quite frankly, Rowntree going to Nestle was much more distressing than Cadburys going to Kraft would be.
  15. Johnny Canuck3

    Johnny Canuck3 Well-Known Member

    No question it's not Gruyere, but you can't hold Gruyere upside down, and squirt it directly down your throat, either. :)
  16. Yuwipi Woman

    Yuwipi Woman Whack-A-Mole Queen

    There are all kinds of excellent chocolatiers in the US. We just don't share them around with mere foreigners.
  17. TheFaxMachine

    TheFaxMachine Carrot Sticks

  18. PacificOcean

    PacificOcean Unhinged User

    Linky please?

    Our "chocolate" is mainly cocoa mass, oils and various bit's and bobs - It has skimmed milk powder in it*, which is about as close to milk as it gets.

    You couldn't label British "chocolate" as chocolate on the Continent.

    I don't see how the US stuff can be much worse?

    *I know the ad says a glass and and a half of milk in every bar, but they are going on the fact that if you rehydrated the skimmed milk powder then it would be a glass and a half. So they can get away with that with the ASA.
  19. Chz

    Chz Stark Raving Sane

    The US stuff is worse. Just not by very much.
  20. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Apparently Cadbury is now talking to Hershey ..

    Unite hoped Cadbury would resist a takeover.
  21. weltweit

    weltweit Well-Known Member

    Craft is apparently about to up its offer to £12bn a level which Cadbury management might accept or recommend the bid.

    Hershey are being quiet at the moment.
  22. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    Sounds like Cadbury and Kraft have come to some sort of deal - more to follow later today.

    Extremely sorry to hear that news - the workers and the Cadbury family don't want it but of course that matters not a jot when it comes to money and big business :(

    Just hope people aren't going to loose their jobs.
  23. invisibleplanet

    invisibleplanet porter des cornes

    Agree wholeheartedly.
  24. Wookey

    Wookey Muppet is not a slur

    This is such a shame. :(
  25. William of Walworth

    William of Walworth Festographer

    BBC link on this story :hmm: :(
  26. invisibleplanet

    invisibleplanet porter des cornes

    If Kraft tinker with the formula of CDM and Bournville, they'll be doomed.
  27. editor

    editor Forked with electrons

    It's always depressing to see independents being taken over by mega-corps, especially when the sale has been pre-empted by foreign shareholders and fucking hedge fund managers only interested in short term gains with the deal going through against the wishes of the workforce

    Listen to this shocking spin from Cadbury's chairman:
  28. pboi

    pboi Banned Banned

    40%of Cadburys shareholders are American

    Great power lies with funds and people like Buffet

    Restrictions should be put in place to monitor things like that, if people have problems with Companies buying other companies.

    Massive loss for this country imo, shame :(
  29. Maurice Picarda

    Maurice Picarda Actually, might as well flounce.

    It's pretty much "blessed are the cheesemakers".
  30. invisibleplanet

    invisibleplanet porter des cornes

    From the Guardian comments: "Kraft bought Terry's in York with very very similar promises. Sixteen months later, the factory has been relocated to Poland, all staff are redundant and we're getting more unsaleable apartment blocks on the former site. Brilliant! Good luck Bournville and Cadbury's staff from're going to need it."

    And, I might add, they (Terry's under Kraft) reduced the thickness to thinness and changed the texture of the chocs.

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