Should all immigration threads be merged into one mega thread?

[Fruitloop]

Durruti's Atherstone fire thread has the word 'migrants' in the OP.

 

[Pigeon]

Your interest in immigration seems to exist primarily as a way of trying to get back at a couple of people who disagree with you.

Fuck, that reminds me of someone...

 

[tbaldwin]

Durruti's Atherstone fire thread has the word 'migrants' in the OP.

And? There is obviously a connection with migration.BUT it is a thread about what happened,not a thread about immigration..

Did you see my International Labour Rules thread?
Did you think that was about Immigration? Hopefully you know it wasnt primarily but of course migration is connected to any international question.

 

[Fruitloop]

nino. Durruti started a thread on the Atherstone fire...You were the one who started going on and on about immigration on it.

Durruti's thread about the Atherstone fire was about migration from the outset.

 

[tbaldwin]

Durruti's thread about the Atherstone fire was about migration from the outset.

It was about warehouse owners getting rich and the role of supermarkets.
And yeah he did mention migration.....Been a bit stupid not too, as he was talking about the people they employed....

 

[durruti02]

I see you managed to contradict yourself again. Here, you say



Then, in a breathtaking volte face, you claim



What is odd is that you see no contradiction between these two bits of text - both of them written by you.

So what do you want? I don't think you're sure. All I know is that you claim not to "hate" immigrants but you demand some form of local control over immigration that is administered by the local 'working class' in their 'communities'.

I take it you are familiar with The League of Gentlemen?

no no contradiction .. i have done threads specifically on immigration many times as you have regularly noted .. in the atherstone fire the use of migrants by the spiv boss was only one factor .. it seems you can not tell the differrence between a 'link' and something more .. whatever

what do i want? working class power .. i thought you did too as a socialist .. amd that power not in a Party or a politbureau but in the hands of local communities .. i thought this was socialism .. i find it perculiar that most people who call tehmselves socialists on U75 seem to have a problem with this idea and identify it with the league of gentlemen

 

[durruti02]

Durruti's Atherstone fire thread has the word 'migrants' in the OP.

oh boy .. so was it SOLELY about that? what else did the OP say?

 

[Lock&Light]

Durruti's Atherstone fire thread has the word 'migrants' in the OP.

modern bulk warehouse ; cheap food ; supermarkets ; profits ; decent farmers ; vegtables ; migrants ; slave conditions ; gang masters ; health and safety ; spiv britain ; angry/sick

All of these words featured in that OP. Which one(s) do you think best represents what that thread was about?

 

[nino_savatte]

nino. Durruti started a thread on the Atherstone fire...You were the one who started going on and on about immigration on it.
You seem self obsessed. Your interest in immigration seems to exist primarily as a way of trying to get back at a couple of people who disagree with you.

To be honest, i dont think you have shown much interest in immigration and its national and international consequences.

At best you seem to be stuck in the past,not recognising how immigration is presently being used.

How the fuck can anyone take you seriously when you post guff like this? Biut this is a really weird thing to say

You seem self obsessed.

I don't think you understand what the phrase "self obsessed" means

Your interest in immigration seems to exist primarily as a way of trying to get back at a couple of people who disagree with you.

Hardly, you lot dominate this forum with your incessant (that means "ceaseless") threads on immigration and if anyone takes an opposing position to either you, durutti or you wee chums, they are treated to abuse, misrepresentation and lies.

Oh and you're ruining my thread.

 

[nino_savatte]

no no contradiction ..

No, you wouldn't see the contradiction but then you are rather fond of misrepresentations and if those don't work, you issue threats. Charming.

 

[durruti02]

modern bulk warehouse ; cheap food ; supermarkets ; profits ; decent farmers ; vegtables ; migrants ; slave conditions ; gang masters ; health and safety ; spiv britain ; angry/sick

All of these words featured in that OP. Which one(s) do you think best represents what that thread was about?

it was clearly racism disguising itself with these issues ..

 

[nino_savatte]

Clearly another case of denial from durutti.

 

[Grandma Death]

Hardly, you lot dominate this forum with your incessant (that means "ceaseless") threads on immigration and if anyone takes an opposing position to either you, durutti or you wee chums, they are treated to abuse, misrepresentation and lies..

Not to mention the facile labels like 'white liberal middle class' and 'no borders supporters'

 

[nino_savatte]

Not to mention the facile labels like 'white liberal middle class' and 'no borders supporters'

Exactly; if you don't agree with the crew, then you're a "liberal" or even "neo-liberal". I had one accuse me of "playing into the hands of the BNP" because I didn't support their proposals for immigration controls.

 

[dash_two]

I find it interesting that those calling for a "debate on immigration" are those people who are least interested in having a debate. I also find that it is always the same voices who demand that 'we' have a 'debate' on immigration. Those voices were around in the 50's, 60's and 70's and to suggest that circumstances have suddenly' changed' now that we are in the 21st century is a myth.

When you mention 'those calling for a "debate on immigration"', are you referring to any regular posters on U75?

 

[Pigeon]

Exactly; if you don't agree with the crew, then you're a "liberal" or even "neo-liberal". I had one accuse me of "playing into the hands of the BNP" because I didn't support their proposals for immigration controls.

Think yerself lucky. I got called "fascistic".

 

[nino_savatte]

Think yerself lucky. I got called "fascistic".

Orwellian logic in action, innit?

 

[brasicritique]

Would it not be better to merge all immigrants in to one giant person?

 

[audiotech]

The size of Wales.

 

[nino_savatte]

Would it not be better to merge all immigrants in to one giant person?

It would be better if we merged all idiots into one single idiot that we could take turns beating with sticks.

 

[Pigeon]

shown much interest in immigration and its national and international consequences.

At best you seem to be stuck in the past,not recognising how immigration is presently being used.

Talking of "the past", some interesting points are raised in an article in this week's Voice.

Those of us who have been here half a century or more will recall the old battered quote "wogs begin at Calais." Calais is the French port which was the main connection point from England to Europe five decades ago. This was before we all started flying everywhere. "Wog" is the shorthand version of "golliwog", a degrading reference to those of us with dark skins. This term of abuse also referred to whites who were not British- French, Italians, Germans, Russians et al, none of whom were welcome, and the saying evoked a combination of xenophobia and racism.

Though the often quoted sentence has fallen into disuse, the sentiment still courses through the veins of white citizens of the UK. It reappears at election times with amazing regularity...With the election for Mayor of London due in the next few nmonths, and national elections not too fardown the road, xenophobia and racism may return drip-by-drio, inevitably to grow with great force when the election dates are set. The modern reference to immigration tells us that "wogs begin at Calais" is returning in an ever changing form.

Our Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, has fired the first shot. And I quote: "British jobs for British workers". Not for Africans, Asians, Caribeans. Not for white Europeans, with particular reference to Poles, Lithuanians, Czechs...From cities to rural areas of this green and unpleasant land are scattered Polish builders and other Eastern Europeans who farm, workers who plant, tend and reap fruit and veg. A swift tour of London will inform the stranger that the trail in food production leads all the way to the supermarkets where new Europeans, Africans and the offspring of Caribbean peoples serve...Almost daily, the national newspapers, radio and TV engage in scaremongering by quoting statistics. They tell us that in 50 years time there will be 20 million more people living in the country. This inflated figure was issued deliberately into frighterning the white population into believe that they will be over-run by "wogs".

And the voters are asked to chose which political party has the most powerful border control programme within which the UK is to be ring fenced.

Our political leaders are getting closer and closer to mass deportation if they dare. Enoch Powell once used the term "repatriation". In short, "go back where you come from." Some will claim that it is the only way to win the war on terror, to defeat gun crime, to empty overcrowded prisons, to offer white citizens smaller classes in schools, to reduce the numbers of us who seek care in hospitals.

This tiny island inches its way to barbarism.

 

[tbaldwin]

Talking of "the past", some interesting points are raised in an article in this week's Voice.

Shame about that. I have always quite liked Darcus Howe..Especially enjoyed his programme with Bernard Manning.

But here he seems to be falling into the trap of parroting nonsense from misguided white liberals.
Its plainly silly to link Gordon Browns interpretation of " British Jobs for British Workers" with that of the Holocaust deniers and racists of yesteryear.

Gordon Brown wants to see people in the UK in work, it hardly makes him Adolf Tyndall does it....

 

[nino_savatte]

Gordon Brown wants to see people in the UK in work, it hardly makes him Adolf Tyndall does it....

So by uttering the words, "British jobs for British workers" he wasn't using nationalism (of which he is very keen) to make his point? You appear to have deliberately forgotten his desire to forge a unified British 'identity'.

 

[Pigeon]

Shame about that. I have always quite liked Darcus Howe..Especially enjoyed his programme with Bernard Manning.

But here he seems to be falling into the trap of parroting nonsense from misguided white liberals.

Or showing solidarity with a new bunch of immigrants on the receiving end of some of the same shite his generation experienced 50 years ago.

I'm still waiting for a source for your oft-repeated claim that 99% of British blacks and Asians are calling for an immediate cap on immigration, by the way...

 

[chymaera]

I'm still waiting for a source for your oft-repeated claim that 99% of British blacks and Asians are calling for an immediate cap on immigration, by the way...

I don't know about 99%, but BBC News 24 seems to have no trouble at all finding ones who will state just that on TV.

 

[durruti02]

I don't know about 99%, but BBC News 24 seems to have no trouble at all finding ones who will state just that on TV.

while clearly afro caribean british have reason to be worried about emotive electionering and rabble rousing they have more to be worried by the use by capitalism of new sources of cheap labour. Capitalism has always used differrent sources of migrants in suceeding waves of cheap labour .. so the preceeding ones always get shafted ..

 

[durruti02]

Shame about that. I have always quite liked Darcus Howe..Especially enjoyed his programme with Bernard Manning.

But here he seems to be falling into the trap of parroting nonsense from misguided white liberals.
Its plainly silly to link Gordon Browns interpretation of " British Jobs for British Workers" with that of the Holocaust deniers and racists of yesteryear.

Gordon Brown wants to see people in the UK in work, it hardly makes him Adolf Tyndall does it....

yes that is a silly article by darcus howe .. dare i say racist in his assertion that the idea that 'wogs begin a dover' courses thru the veins of british people .. i would have thought he would know better ..

i disagree with you though about brown .. he is shit stirring .. he has been a key player in the last 10 years of neo liberalism and the "race to the bottom" which is behind the current cheap labour migration

 

[nino_savatte]

while clearly afro caribean british have reason to be worried about emotive electionering and rabble rousing they have more to be worried by the use by capitalism of new sources of cheap labour. Capitalism has always used differrent sources of migrants in suceeding waves of cheap labour .. so the preceeding ones always get shafted ..

What utter tosh. So "afro caribean british" (sic) shouldn't worry about racism or the fact that the BNP still retain their desire to 'repatriate' anyone who isn't white? What you're proposing here is another division of the working class; in other words, you want to pit workers against workers.

Funny kind of w/c solidarity that.

 

[durruti02]

What utter tosh. So "afro caribean british" (sic) shouldn't worry about racism or the fact that the BNP still retain their desire to 'repatriate' anyone who isn't white? What you're proposing here is another division of the working class; in other words, you want to pit workers against workers.

Funny kind of w/c solidarity that.

you blind or just a wind up?

 

[nino_savatte]

you blind or just a wind up?

Are you thick? Stupid question but your posts, like so many others, are badly thought out...like the one above. How am I "blind"? Or is that, as I suspect, the only answer that you're likely to give me given the ambiguous nature of your post?

Naturally, I don't expect you to explain yourself; rather, I expect the usual insults and invective. It's all you have.