Should 4 x 4 vehicles be banned?
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No fan of 4x4's but you can't ignore the following facts......
EDIT : and I doubt they are anywhere near ten tons.
And 'global warming' is a load of crap, as I've told folk on here many times
With a cat con they proberbly produce less pollution than a morris minor or a 2cveditor said:
EDIT : and I doubt they are anywhere near ten tons.
And 'global warming' is a load of crap, as I've told folk on here many times
I agree these vehicles would be out of place in a big city like London, but you do realise how awful the roads in Devon and Cornwall get in the winter?
dylanredefined
Not a house elf a tiger
A few people need them for work & some people enjoy driving off road .
I have to say if I won the lottery I would be very tempted to buy one .Though
it wouldn't matter if it was a time expired landy or the latest gmc surburban its
just an irrational want .Hope they go out of fashion soon
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I have to say if I won the lottery I would be very tempted to buy one .Though
it wouldn't matter if it was a time expired landy or the latest gmc surburban its
just an irrational want .Hope they go out of fashion soon
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I thougherly hate them too, but lets not get too carried away.
They are not incompatable with city roads. That's just silly.
A box standard Transit van takes up more room and there are 10 times the number of those on the roads in London. Not to mention larger vans, 7.5 tonners, people carriers, buses, and god knows what else, all of which are perfectly 'compatable' with London roads.
Banning them's tricky too as we do, for better or ( in this case) worse, live in a society where we have freedom of choice and that works both ways too.
I say a sustained shaming campaign & a big tax slap (unless you can prove a genuine work need for one.)
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hiraethified
Err, box transits are used to carry heavy goods.Pie 1 said:
If people started buying those just to drive around their little precious to school, I'd complain.
But they won't be doing that because the humble transit isn't being sold as a trendy about town sports utiilty vehicle for the terminally self-centred.
Think my parents, and many other folk would be pretty fucked if they were not allowed their defender. Its their only means of transport, and the only thing that can go through 3ft of snow, up a very steap hill, and a load of logs on a trailer with out thinking about it.
It would seem a shame that my father, who can't walk very far, and my mother, should be excluded from your precious cities, merely because they drive a 4x4. How else are they supposed to get to the city? There's no bus service, train service, and a car is not built for snow / mud and pulling stock piles of fuel for hte winter.
If they lived in the city, then I can see why they should be excluded from owning one, but I wouldn't call for a ban. Higher tax, yes.
City folk....
"oohh look at the cute foxes we can see from the comfort of our 4x4"
tossers.
It would seem a shame that my father, who can't walk very far, and my mother, should be excluded from your precious cities, merely because they drive a 4x4. How else are they supposed to get to the city? There's no bus service, train service, and a car is not built for snow / mud and pulling stock piles of fuel for hte winter.
If they lived in the city, then I can see why they should be excluded from owning one, but I wouldn't call for a ban. Higher tax, yes.
City folk....
"oohh look at the cute foxes we can see from the comfort of our 4x4"
tossers.
Loki said:
I'm not gonna repeat it all again. Global temperatures have been going up and down for thousands of years,so there's nowt to worry about.
Don't want this thread to go just onto global warming, but I do tire of people who are otherwise very sensible taking this highly spectulative theory as gospel and using it to argue against things.
But anyway 4x4s ......Like I say I'm no fan. Personally I'd spend the money on summat more exciting, but they do have a use in Cornwall, Lake District etc. Maybe allow only series One Landrovers on the roads...that should sort the men from the boys
Johnny Canuck3
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I own a jeep 4x4. It's lighter than a lot of cars, and gets average gas mileage. Most of the time, it's in 2wd, as there is a choice. I rarely put it in 4wd, since I do most of my driving in the city.
Why ban a vehicle based on the type of transmission it has?
Why ban a vehicle based on the type of transmission it has?
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I think you'll find you rarely need cars built for "snow / mud and pulling stock piles of fuel for the winter" when traversing the built up inner city streets, but if you parents drive one of those beasts into the city for some sightseeing or shopping, then they'd just have to pay a big fat tax supplement if I had my way.Firky said:
Of course, they could alternatively just drive to the nearest rail head and get a train and then a cab/taxi/bus/hire a smartcar.
Firky said:
I don't think anyone has much objection to rural folk who need to provide their own transportation, I know how shit public transport is in rural Dorset for ex.
When I voted for Ban the tank-like behemoths completely in cities I meant Ban the tank-like behemoths owned by yuppies who have no need for them cos they live in cities completely.
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I personally don't need a car, but my parents certainly need a 4x4. For a start there is no metaled surface to their house, its just a track across a field, that gets muddy in winter, and its up a steap slope.
Even in fine dry weather cars, most have difficulty getting up.
Last time they drove 'one of those beasts' into the city, they used the park and ride scheme, and there's no much point driving to the nearest train station... as it happens to be in a city.
I agree with everything else though, but I don't really stomach the idea of my parents (they're fairly elderly), trapsing through the streets of newcastle with bags of shopping. Firstly my dad just can't do it, he's more or less confined to bed, and my mum would probably keel over and have another heart or asthama attack on the metro (newcaslte version of the tube).
There is legitimate reasons out there, you know? They perhaps go into the city, oohh four or five times a year to do a 'big shop', every other time they just use the park and ride scheme, but my mum doesnt feel safe on public transport at night.
BadlyDrawnGirl
Piano Tuna
In cities and major towns = ban completely. Just not enough space.
Everywhere else = slap behemoth-like tax on them option and restrict to thoroughfares with a width of more than 5 metres or thereabouts.
This would be a great one for the mother-in-law - absolutely hates them.
Everywhere else = slap behemoth-like tax on them option and restrict to thoroughfares with a width of more than 5 metres or thereabouts.
This would be a great one for the mother-in-law - absolutely hates them.
trashpony
Hag
exleper said:does anyone remember that site where you could print off a faux parking ticket that listed the dangers and disadvantages of 4x4s which you could stick on one of the fuckers?
i printed one off, put it under the wiper of the monster opposite my house and watched the owner's reaction
edit: http://www.stopurban4x4s.org.uk/
This is one of my very favourite things to do - wander around Hampstead, popping my little fake Camden parking tickets under windscreen wipers.
I highly recommend printing out a whole load and keeping them on you at all times.
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Doesn't matter what their used to carry. A 4x4 just as a transit, is compatable with city roads. You sugested they were not. Incompatable generally means something cannot be used in conjunction with something else and pretty much all vehicles no matter what they are, are thougherly compatable with city streets. You would be hard pressed to find a street in London that a vehicle the size of these twatwagons, could not use.
jaded_youth
Addicted to skiveing
well i came back to blighty for me holidays and went to devon for a week and instantly recognised a change is the size of the "cars". My first thought was "how can they afford the petrol" and secondly "how is this going to help congestion ??". They seem to be yet-another-trophy in the "made it" display case. Here they tax per kg of the car so they are still in the minority.
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