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[Gmart]

That would be "critical thinking" as the buzzword deployed by Rand cultists?

What's the point of that laptop? Just linking a google search for Ayn Rand and Critical Thinking.

Bloody hell you're intelligent elsewhere but you felt that that comment was necessary...

And I am not a liar Nino, I have read the two books that I have claimed, and my critique is fine, though you have never commented on it.

Once again you just waffle with no final product or constructive comment.

 

[laptop]

What's the point of that laptop?

Just checking that "critical thinking" is, as I suspected, a buzzword deployed by Rand cultists.

So, content-free in that context.

 

[jæd]

The Qwerty keyboard was deliberately set up illogically so that the original typewriters wouldn't jam due to excessive speed, so it IS logical.

Yep, but it would be more "logical" to change to use a time-efficient keyboard now that we have better technology and are able to make a keyboard thats more durable...

But people hang on to outdated methods of doing things just because they happen to like them.

And you have to wonder how logical and rational it is to argue about rational thinking on bulletin-board full of strangers...

 

[Gmart]

Yep, but it would be more "logical" to change to use a time-efficient keyboard now that we have better technology and are able to make a keyboard thats more durable...

But people hang on to outdated methods of doing things just because they happen to like them.

And you have to wonder how logical and rational it is to argue about rational thinking on bulletin-board full of strangers...

Of course the keyboard should be changed, but people get along fine with it the way it is, and so there is not much of an incentive to change it. There has to be a problem to solve and so the Qwerty keyboard continues.

You're right about the rational thinking argument tho Irrationality gets to me for some reason. This thread describes my problem perfectly.

 

[Gmart]

Just checking that "critical thinking" is, as I suspected, a buzzword deployed by Rand cultists.

So, content-free in that context.

I don't see why we should allow Rand to ignore critical thinking, it is the application of logic which shows the shallowness of her arguments. I am surprised that you have come to this conclusion though. Critical thinking is not some kind of spin terminology created by the Randists AFAIK.

 

[laptop]

I don't see why we should allow Rand to ignore critical thinking, it is the application of logic which shows the shallowness of her arguments. I am surprised that you have come to this conclusion though. Critical thinking is not some kind of spin terminology created by the Randists AFAIK.

Blimey. How'd you do that?





Clue: there is no one-for-one connection between a phrase and an object or phenomenon in the world.

In particular, any use made of a phrase by a cult is very unlikely to correspond to any use of that phrase made by a non-cultist.

 

[jæd]

Of course the keyboard should be changed, but people get along fine with it the way it is, and so there is not much of an incentive to change it. There has to be a problem to solve and so the Qwerty keyboard continues.

There has been incentive to solve this problem. This why you can get more ergonomic and more efficient keyboards. (Eg Dvorak)

You're right about the rational thinking argument tho Irrationality gets to me for some reason. This thread describes my problem perfectly.

Why does "irrationality" get to you...? Humans are irrational creatures by their nature. Are you Mr Spock...?

If you get annoyed by "irrationality" then be prepared to be constantly annoyed. And by more important things than keyboards...

 

[Gmart]

Blimey. How'd you do that?

Clue: there is no one-for-one connection between a phrase and an object or phenomenon in the world.

In particular, any use made of a phrase by a cult is very unlikely to correspond to any use of that phrase made by a non-cultist.

What!!??

TBH I don't know what yr on about. the phrase critical thinking is not a construct of the Randists, in the same way as any word I use is usually not my construct.

Meanwhile Jaed, I am arguing for the perception of Man as a creature who can be rational and irrational at different times. I am not concerned as to the percentage coz this no doubt changes with the individual.

Those keyboards have not as yet completely replaced the Qwerty keyboard.

I am interested in what Man does when he is being rational, and it is this Man which is interesting in Rand's philosophy.

For example I am selfishly rational in the supermarket, I am only really concerned about getting the shopping I need. Perfectly rational. At other times I am irrational, which can be fun.

It is only recently that people on the Rand thread have accepted that Man is both rational and irrational.

Hopefully we can now address some issues there without having to go back over all this ground.

 

[jæd]

Meanwhile Jaed, I am arguing for the perception of Man as a creature who can be rational and irrational at different times. I am not concerned as to the percentage coz this no doubt changes with the individual.

And this is news to people...?

 

[Gmart]

And this is news to people...?

Sadly yes. If you wanted a laugh you could read the beginning of the Rand thread where various people try to dismiss 200 years of economic thought by stating that Man is not rational in the economic way I was suggesting. Even when I asked them to tell me which bag of rice they would buy if one were cheaper (identical products of course), and they didn't want to say the cheaper one (the obvious answer) and so they insisted that not all bags of rice were the same, thus missing the point by a mile.

I think it is something to do with starting with an agenda, rather than letting the facts lead one to a conclusion.

Happily I can report that some others are now on this thread making good comments, and so I am quite happy now.

 

[butchersapron]

Briliant series of posts by jade and matthews. Titans i tell you, titans...

 

[nino_savatte]

I don't see why we should allow Rand to ignore critical thinking, it is the application of logic which shows the shallowness of her arguments. I am surprised that you have come to this conclusion though. Critical thinking is not some kind of spin terminology created by the Randists AFAIK.

You're not making any sense here, marthews. Have another look at your opening sentence and then square that with your defence of Objectivism on the other thread.

 

[Gmart]

You're not making any sense here, marthews. Have another look at your opening sentence and then square that with your defence of Objectivism on the other thread.

Still on your dogmatic tip eh Nino? Keep it up!!

 

[nino_savatte]

Still on your dogmatic tip eh Nino? Keep it up!!

Still spouting shite, eh marthews? Tell me, what was so "dogmatic" about my post? Do you know what the word "dogmatic" means? I don't think you do and that's pretting shocking for someone who professes to be a "teacher".

 

[Gmart]

You think Rand is either right or wrong, where I think that she has MANY issues to discuss.

Whatever the case I apply critical thinking to all the issues even if it ends up being quite painful to relinquish long held ideas.

It's called open mindedness Nino. Being open to the possibility that I might be wrong in my preconceived ideas. That everything I know is up for debate and that I do not come to a debate with an agenda, but with an open mind.

 

[nino_savatte]

Again, your post makes no sense. You've answered a post that exists only in your head. As for you having an "open mind", nothing could be further from the truth in your case.

 

[Gmart]

I didn't expect you to understand it Nino.

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe you need to have a look at your writing style then matty.

 

[Gmart]

Who?

 

[butchersapron]

eh?

 

[Gmart]

:d

 

[nino_savatte]

I didn't expect you to understand it Nino.

No, it's because it's gobbledegook.

 

[invisibleplanet]

See here. Well it can't be God, coz he's perfect, but man certainly wrote it down originally, so maybe they misheard or something...

Actually, that 'babble' link of yours was written by a stupid person. I've only just started reading the 'proof' and come across two immediate problems with the 'assessment':
1) The lack of context renders most of the 'proofs' invalid.
2)

And Jesus said, "For judgement I am come into this world." (John 9:39)
"I came not to judge the world" (John 12:47)

These two statements aren't contradictory. Judgement is the act of assessment/determination of a situation/event/person. This isn't the same as being an evaluator/leader/overseer of legislative disputes (Judge) who might have authority over a situation/event/person. One interpretation of these two verses might be this: someone named John writes that 'Jesus said he didn't come here to judge the world, but that 'the world' will judge his contribution to this world'.

Note that I care not for this 'New Testament', but literary analysis is a form of 'judgement'

 

[Gmart]

What I like is the selective usage of logic that the religious have. Giving the benefit of the doubt to their opinion where I would suggest that it should be the other way round.

Penn and Teller put it so much better than I in this video here.

 

[nino_savatte]

Religion and logic...together in the same sentence? Fuck sake.

 

[Barking_Mad]

Religion and logic...together in the same sentence? Fuck sake.

But then again i know many people who disowned religion and wouldnt know logic if it smacked them in the face

 

[nino_savatte]

But then again i know many people who disowned religion and wouldnt know logic if it smacked them in the face

Agreed.

 

[Aldebaran]

Religion and logic...together in the same sentence?

It is not deadly. I survive on it for over 30 years.

salaam.

 

[Fuchs66]

It is not deadly. I survive on it for over 30 years.

salaam.

only possible by ignoring the contradictions and being selective in what you choose to believe IMO but so long as you dont expect me to believe then I leave you to your beliefs we all find the truth out in the end.

 

[Aldebaran]

only possible by ignoring the contradictions and being selective in what you choose to believe IMO but so long as you dont expect me to believe then I leave you to your beliefs we all find the truth out in the end.

haha... the same old reply of people who just can't imagine that they could be worng in their assessment of what believing in God entails.
I'm very amused.

salaam.