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Shitty Charities?

Mrs Magpie said:
I'm going to lock it if there's any more on it that could land U75 with a whacking great bill defending a libel action though.....I jolly nearly completely deleted it earlier on.


Its kind of difficult with people accusing me of not having anything of substance to say being ignorant about charities etc etc...I understand your point about libel etc fair enough....But if people were really that interested they could try and find out for themselves.

Sadly as Iam showed even people working for charities seem stunningly ignorant about them. This means that huge amounts of public money is wasted.
 
Well, tbaldwin, it was just a bald statement...you could have put a link to another site (without repeating the accusation on here) that's prepared to risk legal action, or that has a fighting fund...if it was summat said on Private Eye, for example link to it.....
 
tbaldwin said:
Sadly as Iam showed even people working for charities seem stunningly ignorant about them. This means that huge amounts of public money is wasted.

Of course, as you "know" ( :D :D ) so much, you already know that my job is to know about computer networks, not about charity management...

Mrs M, he can't possibly link to any of this stuff he "knows" ( :D :D ) about. It only exists within the confines of his imagination.

I await the baldwin report with great interest. It should be a groundbreaking read...

I'm going now before I expire here from laughing at you, Meldrew.

:D
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Well, tbaldwin, it was just a bald statement...you could have put a link to another site (without repeating the accusation on here) that's prepared to risk legal action, or that has a fighting fund...if it was summat said on Private Eye, for example link to it.....


Er i didnt get the stuff from another website.
 
Well then, not a lot I can suggest. Because we don't carry ads and despite generous donations from posters, the editor runs this site at a loss, and he's not exactly rolling in dosh anyway, we just can't risk it. Sorry.
 
tbaldwin said:
Its kind of difficult with people accusing me of not having anything of substance to say being ignorant about charities etc etc...I understand your point about libel etc fair enough....But if people were really that interested they could try and find out for themselves.


Nevertheless, the example you cited was of an individual connected to a charity who's (apparently) been accused of criminal acts. That hardly demonstrates why charities are universally shit, does it?
 
Accused by whom? If the police have arrested or charged the individual then there will be information somewhere online that can be linked to. I suspect that it's rumour if there's nothing else anywhere..
 
Pigeon said:
Nevertheless, the example you cited was of an individual connected to a charity who's (apparently) been accused of criminal acts. That hardly demonstrates why charities are universally shit, does it?


Have is said "charities are universally shit" or are you just talking bollocks again?
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Accused by whom? If the police have arrested or charged the individual then there will be information somewhere online that can be linked to. I suspect that it's rumour if there's nothing else anywhere..

Given the source, I think you're probably on the money.
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Accused by whom? If the police have arrested or charged the individual then there will be information somewhere online that can be linked to. I suspect that it's rumour if there's nothing else anywhere..

Charges were not pressed against the individual as it was felt that the people abused would not make good witnesses but this very high profile charity shunted him quietly out of the door and have their best to cover their tracks.

A lot of p-eople are aware of this man.
 
I'm afraid it's usual for people with learning disabilities to have no protection under the law....even if the police put massive effort into getting evidence the CPS usually drop the case.
 
btw, people strongly suspected of abusing vulnerable people are put onto various lists (I think the NHS one is called 'the pink list') so that they are flagged up as unsuitable to work with vulnerable people but these lists operate in a very grey area of the law.
 
Pigeon said:
Given the source, I think you're probably on the money.


If you really wanted to know find out yourself..It was the now x chair of the organisation. Find out his name and google it.
 
OK, I've found most of your allegations and having had a very helpful PM from another poster who gave me a link to a news story, it was never the 'chair', the 'ex-chair' or 'the person in charge' as you've stated in many posts....it was an advisor...I'm really taking a very dim view of this......
 
Mrs Magpie said:
OK, I've found most of your allegations and having had a very helpful PM from another poster who gave me a link to a news story, it was never the 'chair', the 'ex-chair' or 'the person in charge' as you've stated in many posts....it was an advisor...I'm really taking a very dim view of this......


Apologies but i think you may not have all the info on this.

The point of the thread was not to air one spefic allegation but to take a critical look at a £40 billion industry.
 
Well actually I've found out who you were on about in the disabilty press thanks to someone who pointed me in the right direction and then I did further research from that point and your info was wrong....there was a minuscule grain of truth but basically you were fingering the wrong people rather than the person you had in mind.
 
little up date on my friend and the charity she working for...they left for pakistan, via five other countries including saudi arabia, dubai, uae, amoung others.

they got to pakistan, they have no transport, the contract with with the pakistan army is not 100% correct, the paper work is being looked at and the people are stuck in the capital..luckly my mate did not go with them.
you can read about this charity on www.handforhelp.cz they look all professional and 'with it' the reality is far different. She still has not been paid for work and they expect her to deal with all problems from home.
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Well actually I've found out who you were on about in the disabilty press thanks to someone who pointed me in the right direction and then I did further research from that point and your info was wrong....there was a minuscule grain of truth but basically you were fingering the wrong people rather than the person you had in mind.
Hardly surprising.
Loads of people on this thread have asked balders for facts, and all he did over the pages of the thread was reiterate his vague claims, so it doesn't exactly come as a shock that those vague claims turn out to be inaccurate.

Mind you, he'll probably have you down as a "LIBERAL SUPREMACIST" (tm tbaldwin, man of the people ) now that you've openly contradicted him.
 
Well, That's OK, I'd far rather be described as a liberal supremacist or a liberal reformist or even a woolly-minded liberal than 'hard left' which I have been accused of on here.....I can actually reveal that I nominated a Lib-Dem for election at the last council elections.....I'm not a party member though.
 
Good thread!

Loads of Charities are very dodgy,i wouldnt say all by any means.
The NSPCC are shit as some people have pointed out (to an extent) look at the victoria climbie case...The Red Cross shares in arms companies<snip>As others have mentioned all those posh schools are charities and the biggest earners are shit like National trust....
Ive heard loads more shit about loads of charities the amount some ofthem pay senior staff is a farce...


Quite a few other good contributions on this thread from different people....
Its good to question the role of charities as they have become more and more important and influential in recent years...

In the UK its a £40billion a year industry...Plenty of people know that the way they work is far from satisfactory.
 
The government is now actively encouraging public money into the hands of the charity sector despite there being, as admitted by many in the sector, some serious unprofessionalism. Handing out public money to charities makes their activities unaccountable - even less accountable than private companies where we can at least buy shares or arrange product boycotts and influence decisions that way.

The Mayor recently announced £30m of Londoners' money will be spent on "capacity building" in the charity sector. The money will, wherever possible, be given to crappy little local charities who are inefficient and often inexperienced at delivering the stuff they are meant to be doing. A lot of that money could directly compete with small businesses setting up across London as social enterprises aim to get a slice of the public dosh.

The reason why is because, when the LDA last doled out the cash it all went to private contractors who could make promises to "get people into training and then jobs" as opposed to a lot of these tin-pot organisations who, therefore, did not win the cotnracts to handle the money. This time around the big organisations are deliberately excluded and the bar has been lowered in terms of what the organisations have to achieve in order to qualify for funding.

The problem with this is that this money is meant to be spent on regenerating London. So the poorest Londoners are the ones who are actually going to lose out. And when it appears to cost 20x more to help every kid out of poverty then the usual suspects will start fucking bleating about how corporate involvement has taken all the profit.
 
Uncertainty said:
The government is now actively encouraging public money into the hands of the charity sector despite there being, as admitted by many in the sector, some serious unprofessionalism. Handing out public money to charities makes their activities unaccountable - even less accountable than private companies where we can at least buy shares or arrange product boycotts and influence decisions that way.

The Mayor recently announced £30m of Londoners' money will be spent on "capacity building" in the charity sector. The money will, wherever possible, be given to crappy little local charities who are inefficient and often inexperienced at delivering the stuff they are meant to be doing. A lot of that money could directly compete with small businesses setting up across London as social enterprises aim to get a slice of the public dosh.

The reason why is because, when the LDA last doled out the cash it all went to private contractors who could make promises to "get people into training and then jobs" as opposed to a lot of these tin-pot organisations who, therefore, did not win the cotnracts to handle the money. This time around the big organisations are deliberately excluded and the bar has been lowered in terms of what the organisations have to achieve in order to qualify for funding.

The problem with this is that this money is meant to be spent on regenerating London. So the poorest Londoners are the ones who are actually going to lose out. And when it appears to cost 20x more to help every kid out of poverty then the usual suspects will start fucking bleating about how corporate involvement has taken all the profit.


I think this is a good point....Some people mistakenly assume that a Charity will not be as bad as a private company but that isnt neccesarilly so. And Charities are often really badly run....
Some of the people working for Charities are very used to making up impressive stats to get funding....But what they deliver in reality is nowhere near as good as they like to pretend.
 
tbaldwin said:
Good thread!

Loads of Charities are very dodgy,i wouldnt say all by any means.
The NSPCC are shit as some people have pointed out (to an extent) look at the victoria climbie case...The Red Cross shares in arms companies<snip>As others have mentioned all those posh schools are charities and the biggest earners are shit like National trust....
Ive heard loads more shit about loads of charities the amount some ofthem pay senior staff is a farce...

How long are you going to keep flogging this thread using the same few woolly examples of why 'loads of charities are very dodgy'?

What is your motivation exactly? It feels like you're just fishing around, waiting for people to come up with a few anecdotes about bad experiences so you can add them to your (rather poor) list.

I'm not denying there is a debate to be had about the role and functioning of charities, but it's fairly clear you're not the person to have it with.
 
lighterthief said:
What exactly did the NSPCC do (or not do) in this case?


Look thru the thread and you will find the NSPCC didnt exactly cover themselves in glory....Even the public enquiry showed them right up....There are notes on the enquiry on the net if your interested?
 
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