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So that's got fuck-all to do with the film then. It's all about you.



I refer my honourable and learned friend to the great tradition of miners' Shakespeare productions.

Its everything to do with the film. Its a film with lots of in jokes to allow people to show off their knowledge of shakespere - pass the sick bucket please.

And its a film clearly aimed at people with psedo intellectual/high cultural pretensions (i.e. middle class wankers). Please empty the sick bucket and pass it again.
 
@ Hi ASL:

About time too.

Oh, and re: the antagonism. Little bit disingenuous to suggest that originates with me, eh? Since you can rarely resist the chance to have a pop.
 
@ Hi ASL:

About time too.

Oh, and re: the antagonism. Little bit disingenuous to suggest that originates with me, eh? Since you can rarely resist the chance to have a pop.
It's occasional.
You're very, very opinionated.
(I'm not particularly but...)
I find this engaging.
Don't take it so personally.
 
99% of my posts are frivolous nonsense, as you've already pointed out (I'm agreeing).

So I just don't see where you're coming from with that.

Edit: I'd also describe myself as someone who likes to ask questions rather than opine on this and that. I also largely respect the opinions of others where they're reasonably sensible.
 
And its a film clearly aimed at people with psedo intellectual/high cultural pretensions (i.e. middle class wankers). Please empty the sick bucket and pass it again.

To the barricades, Comrades, we must not allow pretensions to intellectualism!
 
I'm not a literature lecturer, so I don't keep these things in working memory: I'd have to look them up. Stuff that identifies characters with actual courtiers, that sort of thing.

I've never heard of that, and I was writing a PhD in the field of Shakespeare Studies. I guess it's possible that Shakespeare referred to some really well-know courtiers, but that would have been like referring to celebrities today - nothing exclusive about it.


fucking hell... have all films got to be gritty dramas set on council estates now or something?

fwiw, my knowledge of shakespeare extends to what i learned in school, and seeing the occasional play or film adaptation (like most people, i expect) and i got a lot of the references. and yeah, i laughed at some of them too... was that bad of me? :(

TBH, I think the references annoyed me more than anything because they were aimed at people who don't know that much about Shakespeare or his plays, in that a lot of the references are stuff that's in popular culture about Shakespeare, but aren't really true at all. It was an incredibly anti-academic film, even while being sold as being a romcom with brains. But that's because Tom Stoppard is a *grimaces* postmodernist.
 
It's not just boring, it's utter shite.
Yes. A truly awful film. Terrible, inane script filled with jarring anachronisms, appalling acting, directing about as interesting as an evaporating puddle. I've seen episodes of Doctor Who that were made with considerably more skill than this pile of donkey's jizz.
 
Yes. A truly awful film. Terrible, inane script filled with jarring anachronisms, appalling acting, directing about as interesting as an evaporating puddle. I've seen episodes of Doctor Who that were made with considerably more skill than this pile of donkey's jizz.

Actaully the episode of Dr who where they meet shakespere was far superior - and with a far more compelling Will Shakey - then that dire excuse for a film.
 
That was indeed an ace episode!

I kept thinking of it the whole time I was watching the film. It was better...
 
Intellectualism is fine, yep. But 'pretensions to intellectualism' means people who aren't really that smart or well-educated, but like to appear so. That was who the film was aimed at.

Oh sorry. I didn't realise I needed a Phd to look down on my inferiors. Fuck off and die, you miserable idiot.
 
Oh sorry. I didn't realise I needed a Phd to look down on my inferiors. Fuck off and die, you miserable idiot.

Which isn't what I was saying at all. I was pointing out that the in-jokes weren't really intellectual at all; I wouldn't be surprised if Stoppard made his references inaccurate on purpose, to piss off the Shakespeare experts, or just to be 'postmodern.'

Fair enough if you liked the film; I really can't see why, but it's not one of those films that would change my opinion of someone just because they liked it. (Actually, I can't think of any films like that right now, but I know there are some).

Christ, being called names and told to fuck off and die just because I don't like the way a film was made! What on Earth would you do if I was actually mean to you?
 
i never realised enjoying a film said so much about a person... :D

Nah, me neither. Films do have target audiences, but that doesn't mean everyone who likes the film is necessarily in that target audience. I'm pretty sure I'm not in the target audience for Knocked Up, but I quite enjoyed it.

Ach well. It's just that some posts here are akin to "I get the jokes, but I'm not like those people who also get the jokes".

Well, it's true though, in this case. It's like when a physicist friend of mine watches Big Bang Theory. She notices when the jokes are based on what viewers think they know (or rather, what the writers think the viewers think they know :D), rather than what's actually accurate or true to physics and physics bods. Though it doesn't happen often in that show, apparently, so it's not annoying.

You are being ridiculously oversensitive.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Stoppard made his references inaccurate on purpose, to piss off the Shakespeare experts, or just to be 'postmodern.'


Mr Stoppard said:
William Shakespeare: Follow that boat!

First Boatman: Right you are, guv'nor!... I know your face. Are you an actor?

William Shakespeare: [oh God, here we go again] Yes.

First Boatman: Yes, I've seen you in something. That one about a king.

William Shakespeare: Really?

First Boatman: I had that Christopher Marlowe in my boat once.

:D
 
i agree with those saying this is a crap film...however, it's worth watching for Ben Afleck (sp?). that man's mouth is delicious. :)
 
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