Sex Pistols/Bloc Party/Racism????

[Firky]

Okereke is a posh scouse twat - likened himself to Bowie ffs.

 

[Nanker Phelge]

Lydon's not racist, but he can be a prick. Okereke is also quite a prick, with little or no sense of humour.

I would hope that Lydon does have something to say about the incident, and if 'racist' comments were made by a genuine member of his entourage I would encourage him to reconsider who he knocks about with in future

 

[joevsimp]

tbf, we can all lose our rag and say daft things we dont mean, I went from quietly applauding Ireland giving us 6 points on eurovision to screaming "you fenian bastards" at the tv when they gave germany 8

 

[aylee]

Wherever the truth lies here, it's just sad all round.

 

[editor]

http://xrrf.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-pop-papers-say-smash-hits-comes.html

IMO he's a bit thick.

I'd hazard a guess that he's considerably smarter than you, but it's worth bearing in mind that it was a very different Britain when ol'Enoch was spouting his stuff:

On 23 April, 1,000 dockers went on strike in protest at Powell's sacking and marched from the East End to the Palace of Westminster carrying placards saying "Don't knock Enoch" and "Back Britain, not Black Britain". 300 of them went into the Palace, 100 to lobby the MP for Stepney, Peter Shore, and 200 to lobby the MP for Poplar, Ian Mikardo. Shore and Mikardo were shouted down and some dockers kicked Mikardo. Baroness Gaitskell shouted: "You will have your remedy at the next election."
The dockers replied: "We won't forget."

The organiser of the strike, Harry Pearman, headed a delegation to meet Powell and said after: "I have just met Enoch Powell and it made me feel proud to be an Englishman.

He told me that he felt that if this matter was swept under the rug he would lift the rug and do the same again. We are representatives of the working man. We are not racialists."

On 24 April 600 dockers at St Katharine's Docks voted to strike and numerous smaller factories across the country followed. 600 Smithfield meat porters struck and marched to Westminster and handed Powell a 92-page petition supporting him. Powell advised against strike action and asked them to write to Harold Wilson, Heath or their MP.

However, strikes continued, reaching Tilbury by 25 April and he received his 30,000th letter supporting him, with 30 protesting against his speech. By 27 April 4,500 dockers were on strike.

On 28 April, 1,500 people marched to Downing Street chanting "Arrest Enoch Powell". Powell received 43,000 letters and 700 telegrams supporting him by early May, with 800 letters and four telegrams against. On 2 May the Attorney-General, Sir Elwyn Jones, announced he would not prosecute Powell after consulting the Director of Public Prosecutions.
(Wkipedia)

 

[poului]

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The day I'll believe that people get aggressive for merely being asking if their band will reform is the day I'll believe Bloc Party deserve all their critical praise.

 

[rekil]

I just hope there was a team of parastylists on hand to adminster immediate hair aid to the kaiser chiefs, bloc party and foals blokes tousled dos.

 

[editor]

The day I'll believe that people get aggressive for merely being asking if their band will reform is the day I'll believe Bloc Party deserve all their critical praise.

Their new single is shockingly bad.

 

[rorymac]

I wasn't there but I do know someone in his 'entourage' and I texted that person and he said .. 'Mind yer own business Paddy .. stick to pointing walls'.
I warned him I'd be reporting his response to be fair.

 

[boskysquelch]

I'd hazard a guess that he's considerably smarter than you, but it's worth bearing in mind that it was a very different Britain when ol'Enoch was spouting his stuff:

erm Lydon's use of referral was to how things are Now...not Then.

He maybe more smart but that doesn't make him less thick.

 

[boskysquelch]

Their new single is shockingly bad.

I like Mercury


Iz it coz iz fick or summit?

 

[Silva]

They're both twats, but Kele is a media whore fronting a band self-convinced they're the new Radiohead when in fact they're dull bastards (and that's coming from someone who doesn't even like Radiohead) and the press is starting to notice that.

I smell more spin than my RPM gauge can measure.

 

[kyser_soze]

TBH, outside of some desparate people and the NME, who gives a flying fuck what this had-been has to say anymore? 'Enoch stood up for what he believed in'...yeah, great. Seems someone is living with some deep unresolved issues about race...

 

[Firky]

anyone who wears a tshirt with save the world on it should be shot

 

[Iam]

Twats have argument. Press tries to make something of it. Public says "fucking yawn".

 

[belboid]

http://xrrf.blogspot.com/2006/02/what-pop-papers-say-smash-hits-comes.html

http://www.nme.com/news/sex-pistols/37367

IMO he's a bit thick.

the bit of that interview that they cut out is quite interesting:

"One other character from the Seventies was demonised by the press and then rehabilitated as a favourite grumpy uncle. Is Lydon happy to be a version of Tony Benn?

'Yes, well. Him and [Arthur] Scargill, they were proved right, weren't they? I'm not awkward for the sake of it. I stick to what I believe in, which is do the best you can, mean what you say, and think about it. People don't mind profiting off me and, let's face it, I'm far from talentless.'"

http://www.johnlydon.com/omm06.html

 

[poului]

the bit of that interview that they cut out is quite interesting:

"One other character from the Seventies was demonised by the press and then rehabilitated as a favourite grumpy uncle. Is Lydon happy to be a version of Tony Benn?

'Yes, well. Him and [Arthur] Scargill, they were proved right, weren't they? I'm not awkward for the sake of it. I stick to what I believe in, which is do the best you can, mean what you say, and think about it. People don't mind profiting off me and, let's face it, I'm far from talentless.'"

http://www.johnlydon.com/omm06.html

Ah yes the joys of selective quoting. Thanks, NME.

 

[belboid]

mm, it wasn't NME - twas Drowned in Sound

 

[editor]

TBH, outside of some desparate people and the NME, who gives a flying fuck what this had-been has to say anymore? 'Enoch stood up for what he believed in'...yeah, great. Seems someone is living with some deep unresolved issues about race...

Saying that someone 'stood up for what they believed in' does not equate to tacit support or admiration for that person or their politics.

I'd say that Thatcher certainly stood up for what she believed in and I fucking hate the woman.

*shakes fist skywards

 

[rorymac]

TBH, outside of some desparate people and the NME, who gives a flying fuck what this had-been has to say anymore? 'Enoch stood up for what he believed in'...yeah, great. Seems someone is living with some deep unresolved issues about race...

Anyone might think that of course any issue regarding race is unresolved to be fair and it'd probably run deep for John Lydon imo.
I need to hear Bloc Party's music to comment further and I will report back anon and that.

 

[twistedAM]

I need to hear Bloc Party's music to comment further and I will report back anon and that.

Wtf has that got to do with the story?

 

[rorymac]

Well I listened and watched the video for 'Mercury' and it started off a bit like PIL and then went into some indie drum n bass type of thing which is woeful as you like.
We don't know the story to be fair.

 

[cliche guevara]

As much as I think Lydon is a twat, I'm quite reluctant to believe that he made a racist comment towards Kele. The reports are all pretty vague regarding his entourage, and it seems likely that if race was bought into the argument, then it was by someone other than Lydon. I'd like to know how it got from Kele asking Lydon about PIL to a fight though...

 

[maximilian ping]

Be interesting to see what Lydon's spin machine counters with . . .

or Lydon's lawyers more likely

 

[boskysquelch]

mm, it wasn't NME - twas Drowned in Sound

and yet commenting on an article in the Observer Music Monthly.

All very confusing innit.

Ferrus unsmarts.

 

[boskysquelch]

As much as I think Lydon is a twat, I'm quite reluctant to believe that he made a racist comment towards Kele. The reports are all pretty vague regarding his entourage, and it seems likely that if race was bought into the argument, then it was by someone other than Lydon. I'd like to know how it got from Kele asking Lydon about PIL to a fight though...

Zing!

 

[twistedAM]

someone who was there
txtd me last night:
"Just got back from Barcelona. Dude we were involved in the fucking indie brawl of the century. Will from mystery jets pissed off john lydon. His bodyguard hit kele from bloc party. Ricky Kaisers hit the dude back. yannis from foals got handcuffed and all the meanwhile har mar superstar was bouncing around shouting abuse at johnny rotten. Intense"

saw that on a messageboard

if you've ever met some of the characters involved it sounds hilarious, if it were not for the alleged racism angle

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

I wasn't there but I do know someone in his 'entourage' and I texted that person and he said .. 'Mind yer own business Paddy .. stick to pointing walls'.
I warned him I'd be reporting his response to be fair.

i *heart* you rorymac

 

[poului]

i *heart* you rorymac

I don't know what you find so funny about that story tbh. That poor fellow's reputation amongst the Irish is now ruined.

 

[8ball]

Lydon has issued a firm rebuttal, it seems:

http://www.nme.com/news/sex-pistols/38319