Sex Pistols 30th anniversary gig

[futha]

IOW: you don't like them.

That's fine; doesn't make them soulless.

Unless there's some scientific fact involved that proves this. The 2112 Theorem perhaps.

ok then..... i think in my opinion that they are a bit soul less. i dont think i said i dont like them. a few tunes are alright!

 

[The_Reverend_M]

Anyway, when are PIL gonna do a comeback gig? Huh?

 

[Hollis]

I saw a Sex Pistols tribute band once. They were shit. And their fans laughed at Ed Tudor Pole who was playing support.

 

[Flashman]

I liked Rush as a young 'un; I Think I'm Going Bald, By-Tor and the Snow Dog, The Fountain of Lamneth, The Temples of Syrinx, all the greats yeah.

By-Tor and the fucking Snow Dog?

Ffs

Amazing what shite you used to listen to in your early teens.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I don't understand why people like the Sex Pistols. PiL did some great stuff (Rise is a great song), but the Pistols were just rubbish. Shit, if you want to hear someone who play badly just pay me some cash!

Why? Because the Pistols were the Vandals sacking a decadent, overbloated Rome in an orgy of musical bloodletting.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

And yet they've been outlasted by every single band they claim to hate.

The Empire struck back.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I've played bass for almost twenty years, i've spent time developing and understanding the instrument so i can play stuff and play well. .

That's great: it's possible to learn to play your instrument really well, but you can't be taught inspiration and true artistry.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

how does being able to play an instrument take all the fun and spark and vitality out of playing an instrument? Who said ignorance is bliss? Flea? Hell no, tell him he's a sad wanker! The Chili Peppers came from the punk ethic and have learned to play - and play very well. And they do it wihtout being sad wankers or miserblae jealous losers.

The chili peppers survided by becoming corporate lapdogs on leashes.

 

[belboid]

my mistake i misread the post. very well, i hate people like that too. i dont dislike people who can play an instrument though. i dont want to listen to something like Rush for example but ill happilly rock out to Lynard Skynard - Free Bird. i think there is a bit of reverse snobbery involved in punk

absolutely, i pretty much completely agree. there was much still about the seventies rock scene that could appreciate both musicianship and kickass muthafuckin rock n roll. the two needn't be anathema to each other, and the worst of punk absolutely created a false equation between can't play = good. but getting rock n roll music back to its basic primal ur insticnts was essential. and the pistols did it like no one else

 

[belboid]

and it is simply untrue that the pistols had no 'technical ability' - matlock was a beatles and abba fan! he knew how to rip off a tune. the pistols kept it basic, but they knew precisely what they were doing

 

[LDR]

wishface - Who do you think is the better band?

Rising Force with Yngwie Malmsteen famous for his technical proficiency and his pioneering of the shred guitar technique, and neo-classical metal genre.

or

Nirvana with Kurt Cobain famous for truly capturing the punk spirit with its frantic drumbeats, repetitive power-chords slashing and scream along lyrics.

My point is that Yngwie Malmsteen despite all his technical ability was nowhere near as exciting and influential as Kurt Cobain who had limited technical ability.

Without punk, bands like Nirvana would never have existed IMHO. Punk, far from destroying music was actually creating it. Good music too.

Having said that I do agree that there was a lot of reverse snobbery involved in punk but I don't think punk is the only genre guilty of that.

 

[The Groke]

I was born in 73 man.

Punk is just a waste of everyone's time and idolises the lowest common denominator. Give me something that has some fucking depth to it, not some idiot looking for any old excuse to stick it to the man. There were far better bands around at the time. Talking Heads for one (though a little later on), even the Clash. But the Pistols music was just a load of balls. As were about 99% of the Punk bands i've ever had the misfortune to hear.

But then I'm not cool, man. I'm not down wiv the kids! I'm not going down he pub with Harry.

Balls.

Um. Wow.




You know, I am not really a fan of the Sex Pistol's music TBH.

Like you, there are other bands from around that era that I like more; The Clash, The Stranglers, The Buzzcocks, etc, etc - but all born out of the punk movement and therefore all born of the Pistols.

Regardless of your opinion of the music itself, the breathtaking ignorance and contempt shown in your complete dismissal of the staggering effect the Pistols and punk had (and continue to have) on music and culture, marks you out as a prize Benny.




You are a silly.

 

[wishface]

Why? Because the Pistols were the Vandals sacking a decadent, overbloated Rome in an orgy of musical bloodletting.

what a load of hysterical nonsense.

what a load of ignorance.

that's like saying 'i don't understand computers - kill the internet!'

 

[wishface]

That's great: it's possible to learn to play your instrument really well, but you can't be taught inspiration and true artistry.

says who?

certainly they are different disciplines; technique is a means to an end.

Something that prog rock guitar guru and professional husband of punkstress Toyah Wilcox has been espousing (and teaching) for years. King Crimson outlasted the pistols and Fripp remains one of the most original guitarists on th eplanet. No one sounds like him, and that's something worth treasuring I think.

But not in the sputum stained eyes of the punk massive. Destroy! Anarchy! Nihilism! Shit!

 

[Yossarian]

Rush were once descriuned as the biggest underground band in the world. A loyal fanbase (certainly with it's fari share of musos) and the respect of their peers. Shit, if that's something worth destroying then shoot me now.

How about I shoot Rush instead?

 

[Yossarian]

Destroy! Anarchy! Nihilism! Shit!

You mean hearing prog rock doesn't have that effect on everyone?

 

[wishface]

The chili peppers survided by becoming corporate lapdogs on leashes.

Ok then.

So to recap: you don't like them = they are 'corporate sellouts'.

I would entirely disagree; they started out as something rather silly and almost lost themselves to drugs (yawn). Then they started to really learn what they were doing and began to write some really good songs becoming almost a n old school kinda guitar band. Songs like Dosed and Snow are IMO really rather good. A real sense of a real band polaying real music.

 

[Yossarian]

If technical proficiency with the instruments = good music, then the best music in the world must be coming from this android...

 

[Dubversion]

if wishface didn't exist, we'd have to invent him

 

[Boris Sprinkler]

I don't think it has anything to do with punk or values, just that the pistols were shit. They were the Sun newspaper of punk. A glorified boy band manufactured to ride a bandwagon that was occuring in England and America. There are far better bands of that era.

 

[wishface]

wishface - Who do you think is the better band?

Rising Force with Yngwie Malmsteen famous for his technical proficiency and his pioneering of the shred guitar technique, and neo-classical metal genre.

or

Nirvana with Kurt Cobain famous for truly capturing the punk spirit with its frantic drumbeats, repetitive power-chords slashing and scream along lyrics.

My point is that Yngwie Malmsteen despite all his technical ability was nowhere near as exciting and influential as Kurt Cobain who had limited technical ability.

Without punk, bands like Nirvana would never have existed IMHO. Punk, far from destroying music was actually creating it. Good music too.

Having said that I do agree that there was a lot of reverse snobbery involved in punk but I don't think punk is the only genre guilty of that.

Neither, actually.

I don't connect with either artist.

I would rather listen to Nirvana than 99% of anything from the original days of punk, and I wouldn't class Nirvana as a punk band.

I don't valur Kurt Cobain as a particular genius; I just don't hink he was very good. Certainly no John Lennon, if you want to draw comparisons to generation heroes and songwriter/musical icons.

I think at the time of Nirvana I was listening to a lot of heavy metal. Some of which I still listen to, a lot of which I don't. They didn't speak to me. But then I'm not a heroin addict nor a middle class wannabe.

When I first properly heard Nirvana it was from a buddy who was big into the whole sub pop/shimmy disc scene. It meant nothing to me. Fortunately he also like the Ozrics and when I first heard them I was in musical heaven.

We also both liked Primus.


Still I'd rather listen to Nirvana than fucking Oasis.

 

[wishface]

You mean hearing prog rock doesn't have that effect on everyone?

Not on me.

Why should it?

Amongst that world that people are so quick to scorn and mock is some great great music.

 

[Yossarian]

There's some nutritious bits of sweetcorn amongst my turds as well, but I think I'm just gonna leave them there...

 

[ohmyliver]

says who?

certainly they are different disciplines; technique is a means to an end.

Something that prog rock guitar guru and professional husband of punkstress Toyah Wilcox has been espousing (and teaching) for years. King Crimson outlasted the pistols and Fripp remains one of the most original guitarists on th eplanet. No one sounds like him, and that's something worth treasuring I think.

But not in the sputum stained eyes of the punk massive. Destroy! Anarchy! Nihilism! Shit!

a question: do you also hate other cultural movements in the arts that also seeked to destroy an oppressive technique is king hegemony, like say, post impressionism/impressionism

 

[Augie March]

A real sense of a real band polaying real music.

I prefer my fictional bands if I'm honest. Captain Pissant and the Mystical Troubadours, Felatio Garden Party and Pig!

You may have not of heard of them though, because they aren't 'real' like the Chili Peppers and they don't play 'real' music. Just a series of exsistential bleeps to a beat of dwarfs banging human skulls with drumsticks made out of the skin of dead pixies.

Now that's punk!

 

[Dubversion]

Fortunately he also like the Ozrics and when I first heard them I was in musical heaven.

well, that WAS fortunate



mwahahahaahhaahhaah

 

[wishface]

How about I shoot Rush instead?

off you go then.

 

[milesy]

someone mention the chilli peppers?

i *hate* that bloody band.

 

[wishface]

i have no opinion on impressionsim/post impressionism/pre impressionism/alistair mcgowen whatsoever.

i'm not entirely sure why you would aks this question anymore than I am as to why you think pre-punk music is oppressive? Did Led Zep take you as a prisoner of conscience? Where you disappeared by the murderous lackeys of Pink Floyd?

No, you just didn't like their music.

 

[wishface]

I prefer my fictional bands if I'm honest. Captain Pissant and the Mystical Troubadours, Felatio Garden Party and Pig!

You may have not of heard of them though, because they aren't 'real' like the Chili Peppers and they don't play 'real' music. Just a series of exsistential bleeps to a beat of dwarfs banging human skulls with drumsticks made out of the skin of dead pixies.

Now that's punk!

oh dear.