Sex Pistols 30th anniversary gig

[Onket]

Saw them at Phoenix in 1996 I think. I'd like to go to this one too but I reckopn I'd be disappointed so I won't. I expect it's sold out already anyway.

 

[ska invita]

What does cultural history have to do with it; I think the music has no merit whatsoever. I have more respect for people who take the time to learn their craft and learn how to play. Punk just devalues that completely which I find at the least disrespectful.

couldn't find a picture of a punk spitting at you, but you get the idea!

 

[wishface]

You asked why people liked them. The reasons for that involve a great deal of cultural context.

if you're going to argue about music and culture, try not to be a total fucking moron, it doesn't move things along.

The only moron here is you, you abusive prick.

 

[wishface]

couldn't find a picture of a punk spitting at you, but you get the idea!

He's not 'talking very happy' there is he! (chortle chortle)

A bit like being insulted by Black Lace.

 

[wishface]

So you were, what, 2 years old when the Pistols happened then? Cos you're missing the point by a country mile. The Pistols were one of the angriest and most innovative bands that had ever been heard when they blasted onto the UK music scene, they were largely responsible for kickstarting this thing called punk (albeit largely by accident as well it would appear), and the reference to the Rich Kids is in terms of another band, you doofus.

Trying to frame the energy and excitement that they were a part of in the context of MTV and the X factor is pointless. I can still remember the sheer visceral excitement of listening to Anarchy in the UK and Never Mind the Bollocks cos it was so so different to anything i'd heard before. The fact that they could barely play their instruments inspired so many people and so much more of the DIY ethic than i think you'll ever realise.

I was born in 73 man.

Punk is just a waste of everyone's time and idolises the lowest common denominator. Give me something that has some fucking depth to it, not some idiot looking for any old excuse to stick it to the man. There were far better bands around at the time. Talking Heads for one (though a little later on), even the Clash. But the Pistols music was just a load of balls. As were about 99% of the Punk bands i've ever had the misfortune to hear.

But then I'm not cool, man. I'm not down wiv the kids! I'm not going downt he pub with Harry.

Balls.

 

[rollinder]

you do realise that if the Pistols had never happened The Clash would never have existed?

 

[geminisnake]

Yea, but by'n'large the bands who have supported them on these reunion gigs have been shit.

Stiff Little Fingers supported them in Glasgow. They were f***ing ace. The Pistols were ace too.
Most excellent night, very fond memories

 

[wishface]

fuck that. punk proved anyone can start a band and you dont need a music degree and an encyclopedic knowledge of theory to write good songs. look at a band like the buzzcocks, nirvana or ramones. great simple songs.

But that's the point, punk promoted this stupid idea of rock being the puriew of the upper artsy fartsy classes. That view is divisive bollocks.

Anyone CAN make great music, but if they can't be bothered to learn how to fucking play and just want to scream and shout because life is hard (it's hard for everyone, Mr Lydon, get a fucking life) then they can fuck off if they believe they have anythign relevant to say. Or, conversely, just because you went to art school or learned to play the guitar doesn't invalidate what you do.

Besides I like my rock and roll to have a bit of theatre.

Better that than being covered in snot.

Punk is self defeating; look at these fuckers now, they're a joke. All about the money. Ooh, how ironic the Pistols comeback was. We know you're only in it for the money; your music is still bollocks though. Utter utter bollocks.

They're about as relevant as the royal family themselves.

 

[wishface]

you do realise that if the Pistols had never happened The Clash would never have existed?

Maybe so, doesn't bother me. I just think they were better than the Pistols, who were themselves a manufactured band. I don't look at them as the saviour of all art and the only voice of relevance in society.

 

[belboid]

learn the craft? depth? theatre? you realise you sound like precisely the type of musico that the pistols (rightly) wanted to destroy?

(tho, contrarily, how anyone could describe the inclusion of sid in the band as anything other than theatre, would be beyond me)

And just listen to the music, its nothing like as monotonously simple as you imply

 

[wishface]

bollocks.

if you want to destroy music then you are a cunt.

A very stupid ignorant and sad cunt.

I've played bass for almost twenty years, i've spent time developing and understanding the instrument so i can play stuff and play well. That doesn't mean playing twenty minute bass solos or cheesy jazz fussion stuff by guys wearing bad 80's suits. It's the sort of development that artisans from around the world develop, western or otherwise. It's got nothing to do with ego.

Problem with punk is that it just smacks of jealousy and indolence.

I'm all for people making music. But don't give me this crap about 'rightly' destroying music just ebcauseyou are too fucking ignorant to understand it.

 

[futha]

But that's the point, punk promoted this stupid idea of rock being the puriew of the upper artsy fartsy classes. That view is divisive bollocks.

Anyone CAN make great music, but if they can't be bothered to learn how to fucking play and just want to scream and shout because life is hard (it's hard for everyone, Mr Lydon, get a fucking life) then they can fuck off if they believe they have anythign relevant to say. Or, conversely, just because you went to art school or learned to play the guitar doesn't invalidate what you do.

Besides I like my rock and roll to have a bit of theatre.

Better that than being covered in snot.

Punk is self defeating; look at these fuckers now, they're a joke. All about the money. Ooh, how ironic the Pistols comeback was. We know you're only in it for the money; your music is still bollocks though. Utter utter bollocks.

They're about as relevant as the royal family themselves.

i agree with some of that man. i love punk and some of the ideas but yes your right it did discredit other forms of music (sometimes a but stupidly). johnny rotten hated pink floyd yet i heard he wanted syd barrett to produce the album! i think never mind the bollocks has some dodgy tunes on but some of it is fucking powerful and the musicianship isnt as bad as you say! but then im 21 years old what the hell do i know about punk!

 

[futha]

learn the craft? depth? theatre? you realise you sound like precisely the type of musico that the pistols (rightly) wanted to destroy?

the idea of 'destroying' music is fucking ridiculous IMO.

 

[belboid]

bollocks.

if you want to destroy music then you are a cunt.

A very stupid ignorant and sad cunt.

I've played bass for almost twenty years, i've spent time developing and understanding the instrument so i can play stuff and play well. That doesn't mean playing twenty minute bass solos or cheesy jazz fussion stuff by guys wearing bad 80's suits. It's the sort of development that artisans from around the world develop, western or otherwise. It's got nothing to do with ego.

Problem with punk is that it just smacks of jealousy and indolence.

I'm all for people making music. But don't give me this crap about 'rightly' destroying music just ebcauseyou are too fucking ignorant to understand it.

that's one of the funniest posts I've read in yonks, cheers

 

[belboid]

the idea of 'destroying' music is fucking ridiculous IMO.

another one who cant read - the word is 'musico', ie the kind of dull po faced wanker who wishes to take all the spark vitality exhuberance and sheer fun out of popular music.

 

[futha]

another one who cant read - the word is 'musico', ie the kind of dull po faced wanker who wishes to take all the spark vitality exhuberance and sheer fun out of popular music.

my mistake i misread the post. very well, i hate people like that too. i dont dislike people who can play an instrument though. i dont want to listen to something like Rush for example but ill happilly rock out to Lynard Skynard - Free Bird. i think there is a bit of reverse snobbery involved in punk

 

[wishface]

another one who cant read - the word is 'musico', ie the kind of dull po faced wanker who wishes to take all the spark vitality exhuberance and sheer fun out of popular music.

how does being able to play an instrument take all the fun and spark and vitality out of playing an instrument? Who said ignorance is bliss? Flea? Hell no, tell him he's a sad wanker! The Chili Peppers came from the punk ethic and have learned to play - and play very well. And they do it wihtout being sad wankers or miserblae jealous losers.

 

[wishface]

my mistake i misread the post. very well, i hate people like that too. i dont dislike people who can play an instrument though. i dont want to listen to something like Rush for example but ill happilly rock out to Lynard Skynard - Free Bird. i think there is a bit of reverse snobbery involved in punk

Rush are a great band. Though I think their best years are behind them. They can still play, sell albums and sell out tours. They've remained one of the most succesful and popular and indeed commerically succesful bands around - and all on their terms (regardless of whether you like them). Can't say the same about the Sellout Pistols. Rush were once descriuned as the biggest underground band in the world. A loyal fanbase (certainly with it's fari share of musos) and the respect of their peers. Shit, if that's something worth destroying then shoot me now. I wouldn't want to live in a world with that attitude.

 

[Dubversion]

how does being able to play an instrument take all the fun and spark and vitality out of playing an instrument? Who said ignorance is bliss? Flea? Hell no, tell him he's a sad wanker! The Chili Peppers came from the punk ethic and have learned to play - and play very well. And they do it wihtout being sad wankers or miserblae jealous losers.

so you contradict yourself again

drooling fucktard

 

[felixthecat]

So you were, what, 2 years old when the Pistols happened then? Cos you're missing the point by a country mile. The Pistols were one of the angriest and most innovative bands that had ever been heard when they blasted onto the UK music scene, they were largely responsible for kickstarting this thing called punk (albeit largely by accident as well it would appear), and the reference to the Rich Kids is in terms of another band, you doofus.

Trying to frame the energy and excitement that they were a part of in the context of MTV and the X factor is pointless. I can still remember the sheer visceral excitement of listening to Anarchy in the UK and Never Mind the Bollocks cos it was so so different to anything i'd heard before. The fact that they could barely play their instruments inspired so many people and so much more of the DIY ethic than i think you'll ever realise.

Wot I wanted to say but put a whole lot more eloquently - cheers Paulie!

 

[chico enrico]

Nothing to do with money whatsoever. I'm not rich yet I'd much rather listen ot the music that punk loved to hate but I'm no snob and I certainly ain't rich. I just respect the ability of people who have learned and practised and are able to write good songs on the whole. Punk is fuck all, and if you are prepatred to settle for that musically then I find that pretty sad. It's got no more value than MTV or the X Factor.

errr...The Rich Kids were the woeful band Glen matlock formed with Midge Ure after he was booted out the Pistols

 

[chico enrico]

NB: all said and done apart from holidays, bodies and a few other tracks i remember being a bit disappointed when I heard Bollocks for the very first time (yes, around the time it came out).

I'd say the first 2 PIL albums (especially metal Box) are infinitely superior records as they successfully make a break from crappy old Bo Diddley rock and roll riffs which I'd always thought was the whole raison d'etre of punk musically.

If only never mind the bollocks had sounded like feeding of the 5000.

 

[wishface]

so you contradict yourself again

drooling fucktard

i haven't contradicted myself at all. They can PLAY, they aren't ignorant of technical ability at all. Far from it. Meanwhile the Pistols revel in ignorance and decry anyone else for having it. That's just jealousy.

You really are the most objectionable and stupid cunt aren't you. I'm fucking sick and tired of your stupid pathetic shit. All you ever do is post stupid trollish insults. Why don't you fucking just kill yourself. Or better yet, get killed. You fucking sad little cunt.

 

[Dubversion]

kissy kissy

 

[wishface]

bo diddley, lol.

Too true.

How innovative. Copying Bo fucking Diddley

 

[wishface]

kissy kissy

How about fuck off and die. You are the very definition of an internet troll; vapid, uninspiring and quite quite stupid. Kissy kissy my arse.

 

[geminisnake]

There's an ignore button people

 

[futha]

i used to be in a band with a bloody rush fan. he forced me to cover ridiculous songs like YYZ and 2112 overture they are musically impressive but so soulless.

 

[wishface]

There's an ignore button people

I prefer posting insults. That numpty deserves nothing less.

 

[wishface]

i used to be in a band with a bloody rush fan. he forced me to cover ridiculous songs like YYZ and 2112 overture they are musically impressive but so soulless.

IOW: you don't like them.

That's fine; doesn't make them soulless.

Unless there's some scientific fact involved that proves this. The 2112 Theorem perhaps.