Serbia v Kosovo

[gorski]

1) Bollocks. They are not a signatory to genocide laws, and cannot be brought into line.

2)That's different to having the power to put those who were in charge of genocide against Serbs behind bars for a long time, but failing to do so because you don't have the will. The Hague is a politically motivated sham. Giving butchers a slap on the wrist is second nature to them - depending on who's been butchered.

1) Accchhhh.... and just what did you think I advocated in that paragraph... ["...including the Americans themselves subject to the same International Rule of Law as anybody else..." ]?!?

2) Yes, elements of that, sure. But then again, so was the Nürnberg Court... So, in the absence of "absolute probity and moral, legal and political purity and metaphysical cleanliness" - what do we do? Do we do anything at all?

 

[Mikey77]

1) Accchhhh.... and just what did you think I advocated in that paragraph... ["...including the Americans themselves subject to the same International Rule of Law as anybody else..." ]?!?

So you will bring the yanks into line by dignifying the sham that exists and that willingly prosecutes their NATO enemies - yeah right. I doubt we'll see Turkey in the dock any time soon for their treatment of the Kurds.

2) Yes, elements of that, sure. But then again, so was the Nürnberg Court... So, in the absence of "absolute probity and moral, legal and political purity and metaphysical cleanliness" - what do we do? Do we do anything at all?

The least that coud be done is to question why the Hague lets Bosnians away with murder - literally. But then they don't come more infamous than the bad guy Serbs, so the boohs and hurrahs rule the day, and will continue to flourish with the yanks dictating who stands trial and who is punished most severely.

 

[gorski]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

I repeat: without Hague there would be nothing there. It certainly had and it still has a role!

If we can't do everything 10000% correctly right now we should continue doing everything we can as best we can. Eventually, as the geo-political climate is changing the Yanks will be at the table, too and they will sign. And sure, while any court is partial one way or another you are not the genius to come up with the "perfect solution without any flaws", so you know what you can do with your immature sneering through your arse...

 

[Mikey77]

You have no idea what you are talking about.

If we can't do everything 10000% correctly right now we should continue doing everything we can as best we can.

You're deliberately missing the point. Even where it is in its power to do things correctly it does not. That does not constitute "as best we can".

Eventually, as the geo-political climate is changing the Yanks will be at the table, too and they will sign. And sure, while any court is partial one way or another you are not the genius to come up with the "perfect solution without any flaws", so you know what you can do with your immature sneering through your arse...

Again you argue something you believe, but which has no merit outside your own head. "There would be nothing if the Hague wasn't there" proves nothing except that you believe in an arbitrary and politically motivated system of justice.

Of course you deliberately avoided the point that since the USA is already calling the shots it has no reason to revoke its right to mass murder, or to see its allies, like Turkey, in the dock along with its NATO enemies. Your guesswork as to the position of the US in future is crystal-ball reading nonsense.

 

[gorski]

You're deliberately missing the point. Even where it is in its power to do things correctly it does not. That does not constitute "as best we can".

Yes, it obviously does. Otherwise we would have had something better in place... [This is metaphysics now...]

Again you argue something you believe, but which has no merit outside your own head. "There would be nothing if the Hague wasn't there" proves nothing except that you believe in an arbitrary and politically motivated system of justice.

Actually, what you say has no merit outside your own head at the moment. I believe, together with anyone with any brains, in the Balkans or otherwise, that had Hague not been established there would be no justice whatsoever down there.

You might wanna inform yourself on the topics properly before you start giving strong opinions so freely...

Of course you deliberately avoided the point that since the USA is already calling the shots it has no reason to revoke its right to mass murder, or to see its allies, like Turkey, in the dock along with its NATO enemies. Your guesswork as to the position of the US in future is crystal-ball reading nonsense.

It is a minimal belief, based in ample [historical and everyday] evidence, that Humanity's capacity to learn = change [and for the better, too!!!] is always there.

In this case: before WW II we had nothing. Even you, in your rather convenient nihilism, should be able to understand the minimal stuff of this sort. The establishment of various Charters, Declarations etc. should tell you something elementary, something you are trying to avoid in such a vehemently biased manner! You're invoking a total methodical blindspot on the issue.

Humanity has the capacity to learn/change/even to improve: individually, group-wise and as a whole. You lose that out of your sight and Hobbes, Schmitt and co. kick in. No thanx!

 

[Mikey77]

Yes, it obviously does. Otherwise we would have had something better in place... [This is metaphysics now...]

No it's pseudo-philosophical bollocks that you are using to equivocate.

Actually, what you say has no merit outside your own head at the moment. I believe, together with anyone with any brains, in the Balkans or otherwise, that had Hague not been established there would be no justice whatsoever down there.

If you call the US kangaroo court "justice" then so be it, but your lame logic could just as easily be extended to Afghanistan (military tribunals for "terrorists"), diplock courts etc. Your arguments show nothing except that such courts exist and where it suits your politics you accept their flaws and hope they'll metamorphasise into something better.

It is a minimal belief, based in ample [historical and everyday] evidence, that Humanity's capacity to learn = change [and for the better, too!!!] is always there. [babble omitted]

You don't even follow up your own poxy points. You said:

Eventually, as the geo-political climate is changing the Yanks will be at the table, too and they will sign.

Now back that up, and explain why they will do any such thing when the Hague acts in their interests, presecutes their enemies, and brings no cases against their NATO allies? Stop babbling.

 

[frogwoman]

anyone know anything about the anti-european protests that have been going on in pristina? there were a couple of germans arrested the other week regarding a bomb that exploded outside the EU headquarters. the question is, why would germany (or elements of german security services) be involved in that - or were they being set up, perhaps?

also, i've heard that there's quite a few issues about police brutality towards the albanian community in greece - can anyone (dimitris?) tell me a bit more about that? (and vice versa - greeks living in albania get a really shit deal and all) but i know hardly anythng about it ...

 

[gorski]

Shit. I didn't see this "response"...

No it's pseudo-philosophical bollocks that you are using to equivocate.

It's reality. If we could have done better so far - we would have. We couldn't, at the moment, so we didn't. Nothing pseudo-this-or-that about it. It's simply accurate. It's a simple descriptive method, you know... Why so angry at it? Hurts your argument, maybe?!? You want more of a "ought to" type of "commitment" permeating all of the analysis, maybe? Well, we'll come back to it!

Equivocating? Me? You don't know the meaning of the word, then. There is nothing of that in my statement. If you ask me of what ought to happen - that's another matter entirely. And I did come to that, too, expressed myself quite clearly, after that - but you chose to ignore it here. Oh, well...

If you call the US kangaroo court "justice" then so be it, but your lame logic could just as easily be extended to Afghanistan (military tribunals for "terrorists"), diplock courts etc. Your arguments show nothing except that such courts exist and where it suits your politics you accept their flaws and hope they'll metamorphasise into something better.

I can see signs of change, processes of learning, unlike you, yes...

Have you anything better? What is the alternative? What are you going to do about it? In the previous post you deplored the fact I was descriptive when I was merely describing a state of affairs - and now you abhor the fact I am apparently hopeful... Make your mind up.....

You don't even follow up your own poxy points. You said:

Eventually, as the geo-political climate is changing the Yanks will be at the table, too and they will sign.

Now back that up, and explain why they will do any such thing when the Hague acts in their interests, presecutes their enemies, and brings no cases against their NATO allies? Stop babbling.

Because, eventually, our beloved hasty and impatient friend, all empires come to an end, and as we can see right about now, they must ask for help of all to help them survive - and then the rising powers come in and state the price...

Watch and learn!!!

 

[chainsaw cat]

anyone know anything about the anti-european protests that have been going on in pristina? there were a couple of germans arrested the other week regarding a bomb that exploded outside the EU headquarters. the question is, why would germany (or elements of german security services) be involved in that - or were they being set up, perhaps?

also, i've heard that there's quite a few issues about police brutality towards the albanian community in greece - can anyone (dimitris?) tell me a bit more about that? (and vice versa - greeks living in albania get a really shit deal and all) but i know hardly anythng about it ...

German security would not be set up, nor (obviously) be officialy involved. If any German security forces member is involved at anything other than a low level or impulsive action, you can bet your pubic hair that this was monitored or sanctioned higher up. The Germans do not have uncontrolled rogue elements.

The French have uncontrolled rouge.

 

[frogwoman]

what i don't get though, is why?

 

[krink]

I follow Jake Hanrahan on twitter and he's posting a lot about fighting on the Kosovo/Serbia border kicking off again. Now reporting gunfire tonight. I hope it turns out to be nothing.

 

[YouSir]

I follow Jake Hanrahan on twitter and he's posting a lot about fighting on the Kosovo/Serbia border kicking off again. Now reporting gunfire tonight. I hope it turns out to be nothing.

Hopefully. Serbia would be mad to get into a shooting war, or to allow their nationalists in Kosovo do it. It'll immediately be taken as a Russian proxy and countries with no stakes in Ukraine will be drawn in too.

 

[YouSir]

Kosovo not Bosnia but rumblings of bad stuff going on...

Tensions Rise as Kosovo Implements Reciprocity Measures on Serbia - Exit - Explaining Albania

Kosovo Serbs have blocked streets in the northern part of the country as Kosovo prepares to implement new requirements for Serbian travelers on Monday. Starting August 1, Serbian citizens will be issued temporary IDs to replace their Serbian passports when visiting Kosovo. Serbia has imposed...

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Serbian President:

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Days after Kosovo announce they're going for EU membership.

Twitter says civilians (not sure if they're armed) are creating border check points.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hopefully. Serbia would be mad to get into a shooting war, or to allow their nationalists in Kosovo do it. It'll immediately be taken as a Russian proxy and countries with no stakes in Ukraine will be drawn in too.

And here we go again

 

[YouSir]

Russia...


NATO...