Seminal 00's Albums

[upsidedownwalrus]

But has there been anything that will stand up in decades to come with the likes of Bridge over Troubled Water, or Thriller, Ok Computer, Led Zep 2, Sgt Peppers, Never Mind the Bollocks, etc etc

Not just parochial tastes, but stuff that will still be talked about, or critically lauded.

So far i reckon only Discovery and Marshall Mathers will still be selling in 30 years time

These have come to be accepted as classics over time. I bet when never mind The bollocks came out, there were loads of people going "That racket won't be remembered in five years never mind 20".

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

You can never really tell though can you? The Velvet Underground and Nico, Unknown Pleasures; they sold fuck all when they first came out but ended up completely reshaping rock music. Equally, although the Arctic Monkeys are shifting truckloads of records now I doubt anybody will see the point of them in twenty (ten? five??) years time...

Word.

 

[The Groke]

I thought it was cracking - the peak of their sound. Lullabies to Paralyze was fucking awful. The last Homme/Oliveri collaboration and all.

Lullabies is totally decent.

Also, any fule kno that their best album is still Rated R.

 

[The Groke]

Methinks some people do not know what seminal means. How was Songs for the Death seminal? It is a very good album but sounds like many an album before it.

sem·i·nal /ˈsɛmənl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sem-uh-nl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. pertaining to, containing, or consisting of semen.

Um........


Most of the Bloodhound Gang's albums are pretty seminal.

 

[chazegee]

I'm trying to download the Guardians 1000 albums to here before you die before this whole Bit torrent thing goes up in smoke.

I'll tell you when I've finished, but so far I'm definitely regretting being introduced to "the Pop Group"

 

[The Groke]

I'm trying to download the Guardians 1000 albums to here before you die before this whole Bit torrent thing goes up in smoke.

I'll tell you when I've finished, but so far I'm definitely regretting being introduced to "the Pop Group"

When yer done, can you please pack it up and upload it as one convenient torrent for the rest of us.

Thanks.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

Does a seminal album have to be totally original or influential? What are the criteria?

I would have to add

Battle of Mice -Day of nights
SUperchron - emergency powers

 

[danny la rouge]

Does a seminal album have to be totally original or influential? What are the criteria?

"Highly influential in an original way; constituting or providing a basis for further development."

 

[g force]

Also tricky trying to second guess what albums bands/artists/producers who haven't even started working yet will claim as influences. There's a few on here I think will....but for that reason this is more a "best albums of the 00s" thread.

 

[danny la rouge]

It should be remembered that many albums now rated as "seminal" disappeared almost without trace on release. Seminal does not (necessarily) mean popular at the time.

 

[Pigeon]

I'll tell you when I've finished, but so far I'm definitely regretting being introduced to "the Pop Group"

Pearls before swine.

 

[Pigeon]

Equally, although the Arctic Monkeys are shifting truckloads of records now I doubt anybody will see the point of them in twenty (ten? five??) years time...

Good tunes, well played with sharp lyrics? Never catch on.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

"Highly influential in an original way; constituting or providing a basis for further development."

But - as G Force alludes to - there may be relatively obscure bands about now who might come to be seen as seminal in 20-30 years...

I regard Daydream Nation as pretty seminal, but I bet if I'd nominated it in 1988, everyone would be going "Eh?"

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

It should be remembered that many albums now rated as "seminal" disappeared almost without trace on release. Seminal does not (necessarily) mean popular at the time.

Ah yes. You answered my post in advance

 

[stavros]

Neither were released in the 00s, but TLC's "Fanmail" and Missy Elliott's "Supa Dupa Fly" both had untold effects on the modern RnB genre, in large giving birth to the super-producer (Rodney Jerkins, Shek'speare, Timbaland, etc) which is so prevelent today, both in traditional RnB artists and pop acts trying to cross into that style (for example Justin Timbalake). I think albums work best when they're constructed by one production team, like the two I mentioned and Kelis' "Kaleidoscope" (also 1999), but it's very clear that having a "name" producer can be a shoehorn into the public perception.

 

[Detroit City]

and the Marshall Mathers LP.

"two trailer park girls go round the outside, round the outside..."

 

[Neva]

That's from The Eminem Show iirc. Which was crap.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Good tunes, well played with sharp lyrics? Never catch on.

Given that they sound exactly like a quadrillion other bands how will you ever be able to tell if a band that sounds like them in twenty years time was influenced by them or not?