Selling Wembley

Discussion in 'football' started by binka, Apr 26, 2018.

  1. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    All over the news today. Offered by the owner of the Jacksonville Jaguars NFL team - £500m in cash and the rights to the hospitality said to be worth £300m.

    How this hasn't been rejected out of hand I don't know. It cost £750m to build before taking inflation into account so how could a £500m offer even be close to acceptable? I'm sure the man making the offer has a long term plan to relocate his NFL team to London which would mean him moving from the smallest NFL market to potentially the biggest.

    Any idea how much it would cost him to buy land and build a stadium like Wembley in London today?

    I wasn't really a fan of the cost of the stadium in the first place but surely it must now be worth much more than the original cost

    Wembley: Football Association offered £800m to sell national football stadium
     
  2. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    Depreciation I suppose
     
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  3. patman post

    patman post Interested onlooker Banned

    Because it's the home ground of England...?
     
  4. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    That's the only thing holding the value up.
     
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  5. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    The reported offer is up to £600m now :thumbs:
     
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  6. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Knocks the shine off Spurs' 10-year NFL deal if the sale goes through. Marvellous.
     
  7. hash tag

    hash tag Pedicabo omnes

    Everything has it's price; players on £500,000 a week, the cost of covering a match, the sponsorship, the Stadium I suppose. I hear that it's proposed that England could still play there but what about cup finals.

    Besides, is it such a bad thing for supporters around the country if internationals were played at old traffics, anfield, St James park etc.
     
  8. mx wcfc

    mx wcfc Well-Known Member

    It certainly wasn't when the "new Wembley" was being built. I used to work 100 yards from Wembley - I went there for a lot of games then, but I thought it was appalling that so many people had to come so far for England games. Spread them out. I wouldn't have England play at Old Trafford, but there is no reason why the national team shouldn't play around the country. Indeed it would be better if they did.

    But no. Fuck selling our national assets to rich bastards.
     
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  9. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Everything else aside, makes further mockery of the fact the Olympic Stadium didn't become our new national stadium. It's better in almost every way.

    Yes, I know Wembley was already rebuilt, but fuck it, it's still fer shite.
     
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  10. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    They are giving them £300 million worth of freebies as well, so it’s techincally a ‘fair’ price.

    Still probably bollocks though. Even if they stop the nonsense of fa cup semifinals being played there.
     
  11. The39thStep

    The39thStep Well-Known Member

    The reaction to this bar one comment, and he's Portuguese, just shows how much money talks over any pretence of tradition.
    wembley.jpg
     
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  12. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    I don't think it's reasonable to include the club wembley hospitality in the cost. The hospitality goes with the games whether they're at Wembley or not so not sure how a figure of £300m would be reached.
     
  13. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    If this goes ahead England games would still be at Wembley and so would domestic finals and semi finals so it's not like we'll even get the benefit of the England team being on tour or semis being at villa park
     
  14. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I really enjoyed that. Felt more properly national, rather than London-centric like everything else, and got visits to Newcastle and Manchester out of it :cool: :)
     
  15. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Everything's for sale in the UK! Well, most of it has already been flogged off anyway.
     
  16. bromley

    bromley ...isn't as good as Lewisham.

    I assume you don't mean the Olmypic stadium in London? It's the worst league ground in the country.
     
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  17. binka

    binka !!!!!!!!!

    I think he means the one in Berlin:thumbs:
     
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  18. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    league ground. Would work as a national stadium, for lots of different sports.

    To be fair, I've never actually watched football there :oops: :D But it's got far better transport connections, getting in and out is much easier and, if it's your thing, the local facilities are superior too. Plenty of places for a pre/post match drink/bite to eat.
     
  19. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Wembley is shit. Shit to get to, shit while you're there and shit to get back from. Hate the place.
     
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  20. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    I basically can't be arsed to go there any more, for qualifiers or friendlies. I've been to plenty of stuff at the Olympic Stadium* and it's so much easier to get in and, crucially, out of. Multiple routes out, and more than one tube line. Hell, it's even a nicer place to hang around if you want to wait for the crowds to die down.

    Doesn't hurt it's my side of London, either :D



    *the generic 'sounds like a video game that didn't get the licence' London Stadium can fuck off :rolleyes:
     
  21. JimW

    JimW 支那暗杀团

    I'm with ed, soulless shithole anyway, but doesn't mean flog it off to the highest bidder. Give it to West Ham as a training ground, isn't that the tradition?
     
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  22. IC3D

    IC3D Post Mid Arc

    I'd be happy if they leveled it when Spurs leave. National stadium in Stratford, something poetic about West Ham and England sharing a ground
     
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  23. Dr. Furface

    Dr. Furface One small step for man

    Maybe for you it does, but not for fans travelling down by road from the north, midlands or the west - Wembley's location means that those fans don't enter the city at all, which is better for central London's transport network, crowd control and policing (and pollution levels, for that matter).

    It's easy to knock Wembley, but it is at least a proper football stadium (not a converted athletics leftover) with a history and international cachet that few other stadiums in the world can compare with. Like it or not, that does actually count for a lot - and that's one reason why Khan wants to buy it.

    IMO the FA shouldn't sell it to him - but that's mainly because I wouldn't trust them to do anything with the money that would benefit anyone but themselves.
     
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  24. skyscraper101

    skyscraper101 0891 50 50 50

    Some of the phone calls on LBC this morning were ridiculous. People moaning about it like Buckingham Palace itself was being sold off. It's not even the same iconic stadium of '66, Live Aid, etc.

    The 'new' Wembley is just another boring ident-a-stadium with nothing of virtue about it. The empty corporate seating slap bang in the middle of the ground at every game is embarrassing too. Even the design is now flawed because the sun was supposed to be unobscured across the entire pitch for a 3pm kick off during a May FA Cup final. Now they moved it to 5:30pm for the TV money.

    The one in Cardiff is way better.
     
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  25. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Aye, fair enough. I tend to think in purely public transport terms, forgetting that people still travel by car.

    Will give you that to a certain extent, although...

    Not quite true since the refurb. It's now just a pretty generic, identikit stadium with a big arch. As far as 'proper football stadiums' go, it's actually not that different from the Olympic Stadium. I mean, it may have been paid for by the Football Association, but there's still plenty of other sports being played there. NFL, um... other ones. Probably. :hmm:

    That.
     
  26. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    Considering the Berlin stadium was built in1934 it is still probably one of the best stadiums in the world!
     
  27. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    If he really moves his NFL team to London, it would suck balls at so many levels: from the NFL team's own fans who would have their team moved thousands of miles away to local Wembley residents who would experience weekend disruption on a nearly constant basis (they do this year with Spurs but on any other year I'd imagine they'd go months without the stadium being used).

    Another interesting factor is Chelsea FC. A mate who is a Chelsea fan says the plan is for them to play at Wembley for up to three years while their new ground is being built. If this deal happens and the stadium is unavailable, where are they going to go?
     
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  28. Casual Observer

    Casual Observer binoculars

    Odd that the FA are talking of a £600m post-sale windfall going to grass roots football. Motty pointed out on today's Football Focus that some £100m of the rebuilding costs came from the government so might need to be paid back. I seem to remember the bulk of the remaining money came from loans from German banks which won't have been fully paid off in the 11 years since the stadium reopened. Suspect there's more to this deal and the reasoning behind it than meets the eye.
     
  29. Dr. Furface

    Dr. Furface One small step for man

    It had a substantial renovation in the early 00's though.
     
  30. 1927

    1927 Funnier than he thinks he is.

    The bowl is still the same tho.
     

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