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Secret copyright treaty leaks and the internet. It's bad. Very bad.

urb said:
But what if your ISP blocks download sites.... I'm pretty sure maintaining a database of banned sites could be administered lots quicker than it would take the download sites to buy new domains and IP addresses.

Whole data centres could be blacklisted. Every known proxy would be blacklisted. It aint very hard for them to do.... you may have no choice!
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You keep on making policy, and we'll keep on sharing files on bittorrent, deal?

For your method to do anything, you'd have to literally ban each computer from talking to each and every other computer, on every port. You might as well just go around and unplug everybody's modems!

I've still yet to find this mythical artiste who is now doing some menial job after previously enjoying a good living, thanks to piracy. Anybody?
 
And technically an ISP could have a blacklist of IP addresses and domains. One for each banned site. FYI they're already doing this in Australia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia

If you have any Aussie friends.... ask them what sites they can't access. I'm sure there's quite a few domains now banned down-under.

China is probably the best example though.

e2a:
http://icrontic.com/news/secret-australian-domain-blacklist-leaked

http://www.techradar.com/news/internet/australian-government-adds-wikileaks-to-banned-website-list-585894

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Leaked_Australian_blacklist_reveals_banned_sites

Now tell me that governments are incapable of restricting content via ISPs.
 
longdog said:
I introduced Roadie to a band via illegal downloads. He's seen them live 8 times now as well as having bought virtually their whole back catalogue and I've seen them four times and have a few legit CDs.

Between us we've probably spent about £500 on their 'product' all thanks to file-sharing.
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In case nobody else has made the same point - merchandise and live shows make a LOT more money for the artists than album or single sales do. This is true even for the biggest acts.

So robbing bands of potential album sales through downloading is less damaging than robbing them of potential merch and gig sales due to under-exposure.
 
I posted examples of it working. And you tell me that it doesn't work? I know how DNS works, I can see how sites are accessed using tracert ... it all HAS to go through the ISP.

So when people arrived in China for the Olympics, the story on the news about people not being able to access state banned web sites was a lie then?
 
If the isp can't see what you are doing, how is it going to catch you out? Shit I used a http tunneler to get through an anti-porn block when I was living in halls. And I'm shit at computers.
 
urb said:
I posted examples of it working. And you tell me that it doesn't work? I know how DNS works, I can see how sites are accessed using tracert ... it all HAS to go through the ISP.

So when people arrived in China for the Olympics, the story on the news about people not being able to access state banned web sites was a lie then?
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No, it wasn't a lie. It was also widely shown that people could bypass it using any one of a number of methods.
 
So you are saying that the ISP won't be able to see what you are connecting to? Do you think they are not capable of monitoring what your IP is connecting to?
 
afaik, it can be done so they can't even see that there is something going on that they can't see. Completely invisible. Legislate that shit
 
and someone will work around the patch and disseminate the knowledge. Some bloke downloaded some basic scripts and got access to the Pentagon computers. Like spam and spam filtering, it's an ongoing war and not one that will be won by the people obsessed with controlling the internet.
 
urb said:
But Joe Bloggs is not going to have the knowledge of this method. And if it does become public knowledge, then they'll patch it.
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You can't "patch it", it's a basic requirement. Like fuck am I going to want my ISP and anyone in between me and my bank getting those details.
 
Endeavour said:
Will you be storming the National Theatre demanding free entry for all?
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You raise an excellent point.

Given that many people still want to go out and be collectively entertained, it's not unreasonable to expect that media companies might increasingly divert investment from films into live theatre, or maybe some sorty of hybrid of the 2? Perhaps the Hollywood starlets will have to do a lot more live touring in this century than they did in the last?

Or would people rather stay in and watch a DVD for £40 a pop (which is what I imagine the movie industry would be charging by now if downloading hadn't made their pricing structure a bit more realistic)


This sort of transition is already happening in the music industry. Bands are falling over themselves to get out and get some ticket and merchandising receipts in.
 
urb said:
But Joe Bloggs is not going to have the knowledge of this method. And if it does become public knowledge, then they'll patch it.
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To be fair (or harsh, depending on your outlook), I wouldn't really mind all that much if piracy went back underground. I've been happily enjoying the latest films and games since the mid-ninetys when most people wouldn't be able to tell you what a Virtual CD was, let alone how to use one to bypass Safedisc :)
 
The main issue with the interweb with regards to people losing money is the media. From TV to newspapers, those who used to 'do well' are doing very slightly less well, look at the figures.

I have a particular gripe with software, music & films. All these are controlled in an unfair way for the consumer.

Films:
A film is released to the cinema only: I have young kids and live 30 miles from the cinema, I have no option to see it there.
A film is over hyped : Studios pay many reviewers and critics to say 'Brilliant' when it's shite.
A film is then released in x formats : When I bought a film on VHS I was paying for a licence to watch it in the privacy of my own home, why then when I buy it on DVD (Blu ray) do I have to pay for another licence? This is wrong. They should supply the media licence free to those who have proof of licence purchase for a nominal fee.

Games you cannot try without purchasing.
They cannot be returned if buggy (lego star wars on NDS was unplayable)
Again you have to pay for multiple licences if you lose the disk, unfair (the likes of blizzard have done something about this, well done)

Until they start to behave properly I will not. It is very easy for the major studios to do what Blizzard have done, have a secure area where all my licences are held and then simply charge a nominal fee for downloading. That way all my movies, music etc is online & available to me in any format & I never have to buy it again. Blizzard have their games available online before in the stores too.

Why don't they do this? They would lose loads of money.

Until they play fair I'm not going to either.
 
Just seen this:

Mandelson seeks sweeping powers to enforce copyright

This proposal creates the office of Pirate-Finder General, with unlimited power to appoint militias who are above the law, who can pry into every corner of your life, who can disconnect you from your family, job, education and government, who can fine you or put you in jail
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:eek:

ETA:
Shocking new threat to web freedom
What that means is that an unelected official would have the power to do anything without Parliamentary oversight or debate, provided it was done in the name of protecting copyright. Mandelson elaborates on this, giving three reasons for his proposal:

1. The Secretary of State would get the power to create new remedies for online infringements (for example, he could create jail terms for file-sharing, or create a "three-strikes" plan that costs entire families their internet access if any member stands accused of infringement)

2. The Secretary of State would get the power to create procedures to "confer rights" for the purposes of protecting rightsholders from online infringement. (for example, record labels and movie studios can be given investigative and enforcement powers that allow them to compel ISPs, libraries, companies and schools to turn over personal information about Internet users, and to order those companies to disconnect users, remove websites, block URLs, etc)

3. The Secretary of State would get the power to "impose such duties, powers or functions on any person as may be specified in connection with facilitating online infringement" (for example, ISPs could be forced to spy on their users, or to have copyright lawyers examine every piece of user-generated content before it goes live; also, copyright "militias" can be formed with the power to police copyright on the web)
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Mandelson - total slimeball.
:mad:
 
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