Second Test thread
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Let's hope Chanderpaul is able to play in Manchester and Chester-Le-Street; otherwise those matches will probably be similarly one-sided. The limited nature of the Windies attack only excuses them a certain amount; they could at least try to bowl tightly instead of letting England romp at 4.5/over. They only bowled half-way adequately for about 15 minutes in the entire match (a brief period on Friday afternoon when they got Bell and Collingwood out due to cloud coming over and causing the ball to swing); they could at least try to bowl line and length and field in a disciplined fashion. They've never looked close to challenging England's totals, they've never really threatened to bowl England out except where England were going hell for leather for runs so as to be able to declare, and they've fielded abysmally. It's a harsh thing to say, but they deserved the result they got.
Anyway, what do people think should happen for England if Hoggard and/or Flintoff is/are fit for the Old Trafford match?
Anyway, what do people think should happen for England if Hoggard and/or Flintoff is/are fit for the Old Trafford match?
david dissadent said:
As the most successful bowler in this test I think he's earned his place in the other 2 tests - whether or not the purists consider him "international class". He just missed out on MOTM to KP by one vote, for goodness sake. I just hope the selectors use their heads on this.
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http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/story/0,,2089826,00.html
Im a massive fan of Alan Donald, and in this interveiw he really seems to have a clear idea of what needs done to the England attack to get it purring again. England have the talent it just needs to be shaped and brought out. It really sounds like he is a big fan of Hoggy as well.
Ntini and Pollock always give Donald a lot of credit for helping them become the bowlers they are. He has a good reputation as a mentor.
Im a massive fan of Alan Donald, and in this interveiw he really seems to have a clear idea of what needs done to the England attack to get it purring again. England have the talent it just needs to be shaped and brought out. It really sounds like he is a big fan of Hoggy as well.
Ntini and Pollock always give Donald a lot of credit for helping them become the bowlers they are. He has a good reputation as a mentor.
agricola
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g force said:
True, but if that endlessly-repeated homage to Viv Richards on Sky proved anything, it was that they spent much of the lates 1970's, 1980s and early 1990s hammering us around various grounds, and no doubt in a generation or two they will be doing it again. Its best to enjoy it while we can.
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david dissadent said:
Hoggard spent time in SA with Donald when he was younger. Was it at Free State or something?? Can't remember! Donald has been a fan since I believe.
g force
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Donald could be just what our pace attack needs. No disrespect the guys coaching now but this is Alan Donald - stunning action, attitude, aggression. I met him years ago when I played for Warwickshire Juniors and he was just the nicest guy in the world off the pitch.
As soon as he stepped onto the pitch he wanted to kill you, then kill you a bit more.
That piece shows he has identified what need changing in Harmy's action to repeat the 2004 antics in the Caribbean and if he can instill something of himself in Anderson (who I still don't rate), Saj and Broad we'll be laughing.
As soon as he stepped onto the pitch he wanted to kill you, then kill you a bit more.
That piece shows he has identified what need changing in Harmy's action to repeat the 2004 antics in the Caribbean and if he can instill something of himself in Anderson (who I still don't rate), Saj and Broad we'll be laughing.
agricola
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g force said:
The bowlers do need that kind of attitude, though whether Harmison has it in him to genuinely be that nasty is somewhat open to question (though admittedly someone who was apparently as laid-back as Devon Malcolm was able of arguably the most evil spell of bowling ever when riled).
Jografer said:Hope so, that side was good to watch, but from what I've read kids in the carribean look to the USA & basketball these days, so not as many good 'uns coming through...
Sadly, there's not anywhere near the same level of interest in cricket amongst West Indian young ones these days. The best athletes are quickly hived off to other sports, keen to go on collegiate sponsorships to US universities, whereas cricket's comparatively impoverished over there. It's a wonder how they've even competed for so long if I'm honest - the facilities and practice strips out there are nearly non-existent.
Add to that the constant inter-island politicking and petty mindedness and it's a depressing situation all round. The best hopes now tend to be in the Asian population predominantly - Chanderpaul, Sarwan and a host of other Guyanese and Trinidadians are coming increasingly to the fore, but it's far from a happy picture out there.
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