Searchlight/Webster seek to rewrite history on BNPs Lecomber

[durruti]

This morning, at about 11 am, I posted on the BNP scary leaflet thread (having hinted at it earlier) not the fact that BNP No. 2 Tony Lecomber has been forced out of his position (apparently), but the real reason why he has been sidelined. This concerns his approach to ex-Liverpool BNP member Joe Owens, accused in some circles of being a 'gangland hitman'. Lecomber siggested (on 12/1) Owens might like to undertake 'direct action' (i.e. 'hits') against Establishment figures including New Labour types. Owens did not take the bait, but instead contacted GRiffin, who was also under pressure over Lecomber (as well as other issues) from his now (very) recently departed Security team headed by Warren Bennett.

In the light of Lecomber's track-record over an outrageously lenient sentence re bomb-carrying near the WRP HQ in the 1980s, and later apparent conversion to the 'Euro-Nationalist' non-violent strategy, this most recent turn seems to confirm what many have long suspected--he has most probably been acting as a state (SB/MI5/Searchlight) asset for a number of years.

The posting I did here (and also on libcom & Indymedia almost simultaneously) no doubt, as I intended, caused great anxiety to those in the twilight world of disinformation, where the media secret state & political underbelly meets. This was a story that virtually all those involved would have wanted first surfaced by those on the 'inside track' of SPIJ (State Compromised Pseudo-Investigative Journalism). An indicator of this is the fact that Storm Front has mentioned nothing, and the VNN site only a very truncated (and currently closed) thread. The BNP site has referred only to health & stress problems...Hardly coincidentally, and I would say consequently, late this afternoon ex-NF Activities Organiser Martin Webster (no enemy of the state he...) has emerged from political cryogenic suspension to muddy the waters with another 'Electronic Loose Cannon': as too have Searchlight's 'Stop the BNP' web-site just heralded a forthcoming report on the issue. Both of these contributions, tellingly, after my own few choice words.

So, if/when you read a print 'exclusive' on this story, replete with the usual lying spin, distortion & claims of truth, just remember the correct sequence of events. I will write about the source matter of BNP crisis/the Griffin trial, as and when. In the meantime, I & other NFB team members will sit back & enjoy...[/QUOTE

Larry is still divorced from reality. Yes Lecomber's sentence was derisory, four years for a pipe bomb, from the same judge on the same day an Irishman got twenty years for having bomb parts. Lecomber was very unpopular in the party being rude and agressive to everybody and Griffin certainly wanted to get rid of him. It was thought that Lecomber knew where a lot of the bodies were buried and that that was why he wasn't sacked.

Lecomber is a man who acts on impulse, straight after finishing the four he attacked a teacher putting up anti BNP sticks and got another three. He simply doesn't think. The approach to Owens was absolutely typical of the man. It must be remembered that hits take place in this country all the time, it is clear that a dead cabinet minister will stir creat a lot of activity but many of them can be seen walking around Westminster all the time. The story was up on StormFront for about 48 hours and there was reference to it on skrewdriver. Keep taking the tablets Larry.

Durruti

 

[Larry O'Hara]

This morning, at about 11 am, I posted on the BNP scary leaflet thread (having hinted at it earlier) not the fact that BNP No. 2 Tony Lecomber has been forced out of his position (apparently), but the real reason why he has been sidelined. This concerns his approach to ex-Liverpool BNP member Joe Owens, accused in some circles of being a 'gangland hitman'. Lecomber siggested (on 12/1) Owens might like to undertake 'direct action' (i.e. 'hits') against Establishment figures including New Labour types. Owens did not take the bait, but instead contacted GRiffin, who was also under pressure over Lecomber (as well as other issues) from his now (very) recently departed Security team headed by Warren Bennett.

In the light of Lecomber's track-record over an outrageously lenient sentence re bomb-carrying near the WRP HQ in the 1980s, and later apparent conversion to the 'Euro-Nationalist' non-violent strategy, this most recent turn seems to confirm what many have long suspected--he has most probably been acting as a state (SB/MI5/Searchlight) asset for a number of years.

The posting I did here (and also on libcom & Indymedia almost simultaneously) no doubt, as I intended, caused great anxiety to those in the twilight world of disinformation, where the media secret state & political underbelly meets. This was a story that virtually all those involved would have wanted first surfaced by those on the 'inside track' of SPIJ (State Compromised Pseudo-Investigative Journalism). An indicator of this is the fact that Storm Front has mentioned nothing, and the VNN site only a very truncated (and currently closed) thread. The BNP site has referred only to health & stress problems...Hardly coincidentally, and I would say consequently, late this afternoon ex-NF Activities Organiser Martin Webster (no enemy of the state he...) has emerged from political cryogenic suspension to muddy the waters with another 'Electronic Loose Cannon': as too have Searchlight's 'Stop the BNP' web-site just heralded a forthcoming report on the issue. Both of these contributions, tellingly, after my own few choice words.

So, if/when you read a print 'exclusive' on this story, replete with the usual lying spin, distortion & claims of truth, just remember the correct sequence of events. I will write about the source matter of BNP crisis/the Griffin trial, as and when. In the meantime, I & other NFB team members will sit back & enjoy...[/QUOTE

Larry is still divorced from reality. Yes Lecomber's sentence was derisory, four years for a pipe bomb, from the same judge on the same day an Irishman got twenty years for having bomb parts. Lecomber was very unpopular in the party being rude and agressive to everybody and Griffin certainly wanted to get rid of him. It was thought that Lecomber knew where a lot of the bodies were buried and that that was why he wasn't sacked.

Lecomber is a man who acts on impulse, straight after finishing the four he attacked a teacher putting up anti BNP sticks and got another three. He simply doesn't think. The approach to Owens was absolutely typical of the man. It must be remembered that hits take place in this country all the time, it is clear that a dead cabinet minister will stir creat a lot of activity but many of them can be seen walking around Westminster all the time. The story was up on StormFront for about 48 hours and there was reference to it on skrewdriver. Keep taking the tablets Larry.

Durruti

interesting that Durruti should pop up on this thread--for I have little doubt seeking to muddy the waters along with this month's Searchlight story was exactly why Durutti joined on 1/3. After all, each of Durruti's posts has been an attack on me--fair enough, I can take it. But my considered take on these matters will emerge when it suits me, not attack-poodles like 'Durutti'. And that, I can assure all, will be soon indeed....

 

[tbaldwin]

interesting that Durruti should pop up on this thread--for I have little doubt seeking to muddy the waters along with this month's Searchlight story was exactly why Durutti joined on 1/3. After all, each of Durruti's posts has been an attack on me--fair enough, I can take it. But my considered take on these matters will emerge when it suits me, not attack-poodles like 'Durutti'. And that, I can assure all, will be soon indeed....

Is he mossad Larry?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Is he mossad Larry?

assuming that's a serious question, no. Just a lowly office errand-boy sent to try and cause me grief, and deflect attention from the Lecomber story. Like Searchlight magazine, this creature is seeking to downplay the significance of the BNP's No. 2 man soliciting others to commit murder.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Larry's a nice chap, but completely mad.

 

[tbaldwin]

He might be a gardener? It could be a plot?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Larry's a nice chap, but completely mad.

How patronising--and given you have already seen one of Durutti's other two posts, and can easily check the third, in no way is it 'mad' to suggest this creature's purpose in polluting U75 is pure and simple to attack me: after all, it hasn't posted on any other subject, has it?

And only my friends know I'm nice--and unless I'm mistaken, you are not among their number...

 

[Donna Ferentes]

Oh, I'm quite sure you're right about Durutti, Larry (and ironically so, given your invocation of the late Buenaventura just the other day).

It's everything else you're mad about.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

He might be a gardener? It could be a plot?

I say the same to you as to the Librarian: check out Durutti's three posts and tell me its purpose isn't that of a lying attack-poodle. Anyway, must rush: work to do

 

[ViolentPanda]

I say the same to you as to the Librarian: check out Durutti's three posts and tell me its purpose isn't that of a lying attack-poodle. Anyway, must rush: work to do

You should of course bear in mind that Durruti and tbaldwin are (according to Durruti at least) "mates" and often appear on threads to back up each other's splenetic outbursts.

Usually I'd suspect that they're actually a single poster using two log-ins, but I don't think one skin could hold as much bile as Durruti and balders appear to have.

 

[Donna Ferentes]

They can't appear that often, Durutti's only had three posts.

 

[ViolentPanda]

They can't appear that often, Durutti's only had three posts.

My error. tbaldwin's mate is Durruti02. I extend apologies to Durruti for mistaking him for someone else.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Update

For those interested,

1) check out http://www.sundayherald.com/print55980 (article by Neil MacKay today)

2) my version of the story is "imminent"

 

[JimPage]

unfortunately completely dwarfed in political terms by the woes of the SSP up here right now.

Interestingly the herald gave soem prominence to lecomber being state which it did not dismiss out of hand. the herald`s proven hatred of fascism did not blind it to a possibility of an interesting story

For those interested,

1) check out http://www.sundayherald.com/print55980 (article by Neil MacKay today)

2) my version of the story is "imminent"

 

[tollbar]

Anyone any idea why the Herald has picked up on this story now ?. its hardly hot news is it ?.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Anyone any idea why the Herald has picked up on this story now ?. its hardly hot news is it ?.

possibly damage limitation--by outing it now, in a non-English paper when, as stated above, the SSP story eclipses it, is a good way to conceal a secret 'in plain view' (as Walsingham used to say). While Mackay doesn't dismiss the state asset angle, he doesn't explore it with, for example, a quote from his Met Police ATS friends: or indeed an affidavit from Owens. Only quoting fascists leaves it at 'hearsay' level. Maybe the Scots police are annoyed at MI5 over something--Lockerbie, or indeed is the timing a warning to assets inside the SSP, methinks....

 

[JimPage]

Maybe the Scots police are annoyed at MI5 over something--Lockerbie, or indeed is the timing a warning to assets inside the SSP, methinks....

which is probably a story in itself- if the state didnt have a hand in the current internal problems i would be very surprised. there are a lo of very unhelpful things being said at moment, with very few people trying to keep lid on things

 

[Larry O'Hara]

As a matter of interest...

..anybody interested in the final, definitive account of the Lecomber/Owens story and ancillary matters can visit a certain web-site well-known to me (mine in fact) and then use their navigating skills...

 

[Geoff Collier]

..anybody interested in the final, definitive account of the Lecomber/Owens story and ancillary matters can visit a certain web-site well-known to me (mine in fact) and then use their navigating skills...

For those of us who don't know you well can you tell us how to find your website.

geoff

 

[Larry O'Hara]

For those of us who don't know you well can you tell us how to find your website.

geoff

www.borderland.co.uk should do it....

 

[Donna Ferentes]

I found "Visit Larry O'Hara's homepage!" a useful clue.

 

[Mr T]

..anybody interested in the final, definitive account of the Lecomber/Owens story and ancillary matters can visit a certain web-site well-known to me (mine in fact) and then use their navigating skills...

You mean, can go to your website and get their credit card out?

 

[Ryoma]

Surely it depends on how you approach the subject?

To me, L O'H (as I believe I mentioned in one of my posts on the first thread he posted) puts across some interesting and original stuff, but I don't take it as "holy writ", and I'm sure you'd agree that anyone doing so would be daft.
What Larry does do (IMO) is add useful questions to an ongoing debate, as well as occasionally turning up some very tasty substantiated facts.

Larry has a history of "delivering the goods" (larry does evidence, however fragmentary in some cases, whereas tbaldwin merely finds such a thing annoying and inconvenient), so I'll file away Larry's info on Lecomber and see how it pans out, as any rational person would.

The problem with Mr. O'Hara is that he frequently puts 2+2 togther and makes 50! He has accused scores of people of being State assets without any hard evidence. It's all conspracy and conjecture. It all makes a good yarn (bit like the Da Vinci Code!) but I wouldn't beieve much of it. Unless the guy has some body in the offices of MI5 feeding him info. (which I doubt) then I'd take most of what he says with a huge pile of salt. The reason the BNP switched strategy in the mid 90's was because it was the obvious f*cking thing to do! They were getting nowhere electorially and it really didn't take a political mastermind to conclude that a take over by a younger team combined with policy and tactical changes would reap results, especially as Labour was dashing to the middle ground and ditching it's core voters. They learned from people like Le Pen in France (what happened in Britain in around 2000 had occured 15 years before under Mitterand in France) and I doubt if such a policy was cooked up by MI5 or SB - They're not that bright you know!

 

[Larry O'Hara]

The problem with Mr. O'Hara is that he frequently puts 2+2 togther and makes 50! He has accused scores of people of being State assets without any hard evidence. It's all conspracy and conjecture. It all makes a good yarn (bit like the Da Vinci Code!) but I wouldn't beieve much of it. Unless the guy has some body in the offices of MI5 feeding him info. (which I doubt) then I'd take most of what he says with a huge pile of salt. The reason the BNP switched strategy in the mid 90's was because it was the obvious f*cking thing to do! They were getting nowhere electorially and it really didn't take a political mastermind to conclude that a take over by a younger team combined with policy and tactical changes would reap results, especially as Labour was dashing to the middle ground and ditching it's core voters. They learned from people like Le Pen in France (what happened in Britain in around 2000 had occured 15 years before under Mitterand in France) and I doubt if such a policy was cooked up by MI5 or SB - They're not that bright you know!

To be charitable, it is patently evident you have not read what I have written, whether on the subject of Lecomber recently, or BNP strategy generally. You are therefore imputing claims/allegations to me that I did not make. The usual straw man argument beloved of charlatans. There is not, for example, one direct quote from me, yet you purport to reprsent my views, inasmuch as you purport to criticise them. As it happens, there are 3 articles on the BNP in NFB 7: one is on their recent electoral success, another on the Lecomber/Owens matter.

So, why don't you just fuck off back to troll-town??

 

[Ryoma]

To be charitable, it is patently evident you have not read what I have written, whether on the subject of Lecomber recently, or BNP strategy generally. You are therefore imputing claims/allegations to me that I did not make. The usual straw man argument beloved of charlatans. There is not, for example, one direct quote from me, yet you purport to reprsent my views, inasmuch as you purport to criticise them. As it happens, there are 3 articles on the BNP in NFB 7: one is on their recent electoral success, another on the Lecomber/Owens matter.

So, why don't you just fuck off back to troll-town??

Because I am quite happy residing in the land of objective reality.

Why are conspiracy theorists enable to take even the slighest criticism with out resorting to abuse? This stuff is profoundly anti-political. It suggests we are all puppets whose strings are being pulled by puppet masters and are all subject to arcane conspracies and hidden adgendas. The Far Right progresses because of political movement in society and the ideas inside peoples' heads. This idea that the Security Services are all powerful and all knowing is a throw back to the cold war. They are probably as useless and inept as just about any other government department.

 

[soam]

To be fair the kind of information that is included in magazines like Notes fromThe Borderland or Lobster is a far cry from what the use of terms like 'conspiracy theorist' would suggest.
Terming this kind of research 'anti -political' seems strange to me, as it seems to be , for want of a better term, deep political analysis.?

IF you read much of the content in NFB it hardly suggests that the security services are all knowing - rather it often portrays them as being slightly inept

 

[Ryoma]

To be fair the kind of information that is included in magazines like Notes fromThe Borderland or Lobster is a far cry from what the use of terms like 'conspiracy theorist' would suggest.
Terming this kind of research 'anti -political' seems strange to me, as it seems to be , for want of a better term, deep political analysis.?

IF you read much of the content in NFB it hardly suggests that the security services are all knowing - rather it often portrays them as being slightly inept

OK – Granted but why does it mean that because Lecomber was given a lenient sentence for a half-arsed bomb plot that he is/was an asset? Maybe the Judge surmised that he was a silly boy with access to too many fireworks. Hardly Carlos the Jackal! Judges give lenient sentences all the time - just read your Tabloids every week. Supporting evidence just seems to be weak or non-existent. I once asked a leading member of London Red Action his views on the whole Searchlight/O’Hara thing that was running in the early 90’s. He told me quite matter-of-factly to “put all that stuff into a dustbin and set light to it”. Good Advice.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

OK – Granted but why does it mean that because Lecomber was given a lenient sentence for a half-arsed bomb plot that he is/was an asset? Maybe the Judge surmised that he was a silly boy with access to too many fireworks. Hardly Carlos the Jackal! Judges give lenient sentences all the time - just read your Tabloids every week. Supporting evidence just seems to be weak or non-existent. I once asked a leading member of London Red Action his views on the whole Searchlight/O’Hara thing that was running in the early 90’s. He told me quite matter-of-factly to “put all that stuff into a dustbin and set light to it”. Good Advice.

1) This is the third post by Ryoma attacking me--the good news is he has a quote. The bad news is it doesn't even pretend to be from anything I have said/written. So my original point stands.

2) As regards this supposed quote from Red Action on the "Searchlight/O'Hara thing", the actual coverage in Red Action & also Fighting Talk (issue 19) again gives the lie to such a fatuous evading of the issues as Ryoma is practising.

3) Interestingly enough, the hurling of evidence-free accusations around Ryoma engages in is conspiracy theorising par excellence on one level--on another, from someone who claims to have been around a long time so cannot plead ignorance, Ryoma is engaging in disinformation dissemination.

So, be a good little troll and troll off--it's way past your bed-time.

 

[malatesta32]

so, lecomber then?

 

[Citizen66]

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