Searchlight/Webster seek to rewrite history on BNPs Lecomber

[syd mullet]

All very interesting stuff...but I still think griffin and co are cunts.

 

[tollbar]

All very interesting stuff...but I still think griffin and co are cunts.

I doubt theres many here who would argue with that.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Advance Notice...

...for those who follow such matters, that (according to a source 'close to the team') the state-friendly/Searchllight version of events may well be in tomorrows News of the World .


... Tut tut, Gerry, 'loose lips sink U boats'--I'd bar a certain luish going to the offie if I were you. Has he got something fatal on his sozzled conscience? I certainly think so

 

[ViolentPanda]

...for those who follow such matters, that (according to a source 'close to the team') the state-friendly/Searchllight version of events may well be in tomorrows News of the World .


... Tut tut, Gerry, 'loose lips sink U boats'--I'd bar a certain luish going to the offie if I were you. Has he got something fatal on his sozzled conscience? I certainly think so

Surely it's an occupational hazard for people working with Gable?

I mean, if you rub shoulders with a state tout long enough you're bound to contract grassitis, aren't you?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

As it Happens...

not in todays NOW, although to be honest Danni Minogue & friends interested me even more...

 

[tbaldwin]

When i was involved in anti fascism mid 80s to mid 90s Lecomber did not strike me as a state assett.Twat yes,state assett no. Have not seen anything to make me change my mind on this thread. He was always up for a fight even though he wasnt that good at it but hardly struck me as someone collecting info on his supposed mates.
Larry when he hit the jewish teacher,do you think he was working for the state then?.
When searchlight alleged that he may have had something to do with the death of the Khan family in a petrol bomb attack in east london,do you think they were actually on the same side at the time? Or when he got put away for the WRP bomb?

Is there any leading member of the far right who it hasnt been alleged was working for the state at one time or other?

 

[JimPage]

not in todays NOW, although to be honest Danni Minogue & friends interested me even more...

and i bought a copy as well just to see the article- can i invoice you 85p please

however with all of the press they are getting now, it will have to be a pretty damning article to counteract this

 

[Larry O'Hara]

and i bought a copy as well just to see the article- can i invoice you 85p please

however with all of the press they are getting now, it will have to be a pretty damning article to counteract this

you mean to counterract Danni Minogue??

Patience--the crap will hit the fan, you have to bear in mind the timeframe for publication is pre-May Elections, not imminently necessarily.

As for the invoice--simply knock the amount off your account (or your sub when you renew ).

 

[Larry O'Hara]

When i was involved in anti fascism mid 80s to mid 90s Lecomber did not strike me as a state assett.Twat yes,state assett no. Have not seen anything to make me change my mind on this thread. He was always up for a fight even though he wasnt that good at it but hardly struck me as someone collecting info on his supposed mates.
Larry when he hit the jewish teacher,do you think he was working for the state then?.
When searchlight alleged that he may have had something to do with the death of the Khan family in a petrol bomb attack in east london,do you think they were actually on the same side at the time? Or when he got put away for the WRP bomb?

Is there any leading member of the far right who it hasnt been alleged was working for the state at one time or other?

the only point I would comment on above is the WRP bomb thing--do you really think the sentence he got was commensurate? If so, you're the only one who does!!

 

[tbaldwin]

the only point I would comment on above is the WRP bomb thing--do you really think the sentence he got was commensurate? If so, you're the only one who does!!

When was the UK justice system ever consistent. Just cos he got a fairly light sentence really proves nothing. To be honest it does not even make me suspicious.
Why would they have suggested he may be responsible for the death of a family of 5 if they were so keen for him to get off? Not consistent with their treatmet of hepple,collins or ray hill is it?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

When was the UK justice system ever consistent. Just cos he got a fairly light sentence really proves nothing. To be honest it does not even make me suspicious.
Why would they have suggested he may be responsible for the death of a family of 5 if they were so keen for him to get off? Not consistent with their treatmet of hepple,collins or ray hill is it?

1) If light sentences for crimes others would have (& have) got far longer ones for doesn't make you suspicious, then nothing will.

2) As regards Lecomber & Searchlight, another matter. Though the fact they may have claimed he committed an illegal act means little in itself for that relationship--indeed, if you peruse the highly entertaining 'White Riot'by Lowles, you will find therein an allegation their boy was involved in safehousing Nazis accused of murder, as I recall (not got copy to hand).

 

[tbaldwin]

1) If light sentences for crimes others would have (& have) got far longer ones for doesn't make you suspicious, then nothing will.

That is a very por arguement? Why do you think the murderer of Sarah Payne only got 2 and a half years for abducting a little girl at knifepoint? Or why do so many rapists and child molesters get off with such light sentences?
Could it be cos british justice is a joke? If the judges are not worried about children and women why would they worry about the WRP,Larry?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

That is a very por arguement? Why do you think the murderer of Sarah Payne only got 2 and a half years for abducting a little girl at knifepoint? Or why do so many rapists and child molesters get off with such light sentences?
Could it be cos british justice is a joke? If the judges are not worried about children and women why would they worry about the WRP,Larry?

tell you what--you go back to La-La land & play with tinky-winkie, & leave us grown ups to fret about politics & stuff eh??

 

[ViolentPanda]

tell you what--you go back to La-La land & play with tinky-winkie, & leave us grown ups to fret about politics & stuff eh??

Oh dear.
Now the world's greatest socialist (in his own estimation if no-one else's) will call you a "LIBERAL SUPREMACIST" for not agreeing with him.

I bet you're REALLY bothered now.

 

[tbaldwin]

tell you what--you go back to La-La land & play with tinky-winkie, & leave us grown ups to fret about politics & stuff eh??

A very interesting answer Larry. Kind of misses the points though. You may convince a few guillible anarcho types with that reasoning though?


2+3 = 17 Larry O Hara maths.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

A very interesting answer Larry. Kind of misses the points though. You may convince a few guillible anarcho types with that reasoning though?


2+3 = 17 Larry O Hara maths.

1) Your contributions here raise an obvious question as to where exactly you are coming from politically here, but I can't be bothered trawling through the veritable Blytonesque canon of your past posts to find out. Or does your maths always end up with the answer being 88..... ? Your contributions on this thread are, in any event, naive at best.

2) I don't frighten easily, and even if you are not trying to provoke me as a fishing technique, all I can say is fuck off, trawlerboy!

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Oh dear.
Now the world's greatest socialist (in his own estimation if no-one else's) will call you a "LIBERAL SUPREMACIST" for not agreeing with him.

I bet you're REALLY bothered now.

1) Was that national socialist, or Stalinist?? (not that there's much difference anyway...

2) As you have surmised, I'm quaking with fear (or is it laughter?)

 

[tbaldwin]

1) Was that national socialist, or Stalinist?? (not that there's much difference anyway...

2) As you have surmised, I'm quaking with fear (or is it laughter?)

Still living in a fantasy world.
Still obsessed by Searchlight. When they have done more to damage fascist groups than you could ever dream of.
Still can't answer the questions.

 

[ViolentPanda]

1) Was that national socialist, or Stalinist?? (not that there's much difference anyway...

2) As you have surmised, I'm quaking with fear (or is it laughter?)

Oh, I don't think he's a fash at all, I think he's old-fashioned Labour right who's fallen in with the Blair project. He barks out the word "socialist" all the time, but only appears to have room in his head for a single meaning to the word - the meaning he has given it.
Problem is, he's the kind of "useful idiot" that the right love.

As for the laughter, it's a bit of an "occupational hazard" if you read tbaldwin's posts. Good call on not trawling through his posting history, you'd probably be hospitalised with a combination of split sides and a migraine from trying to get your head around his cant.

 

[tbaldwin]

Oh, I don't think he's a fash at all, I think he's old-fashioned Labour right who's fallen in with the Blair project. He barks out the word "socialist" all the time, but only appears to have room in his head for a single meaning to the word - the meaning he has given it.
Problem is, he's the kind of "useful idiot" that the right love.

As for the laughter, it's a bit of an "occupational hazard" if you read tbaldwin's posts. Good call on not trawling through his posting history, you'd probably be hospitalised with a combination of split sides and a migraine from trying to get your head around his cant.

ah there speaks the voice of a humiliated hypocrite...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Pardon balders, speak up, I can't hear you!!

Not telling lies (or should I call it "revisionist Urban history"?) again, are you?

 

[Groucho]

Just to make myself unpopular, I have to say that TB - despite his Blairite politics - has a point. The 'evidence' presented thus far by Larry O'Hara amounts, it seems, to little more than speculation. Lecomber received a relatively lenient sentence for his terrorist offence. That he did a deal and has since been a state asset is one possible explanation, but is not the only possible explanation.

What other 'evidence' is there?

 

[JimPage]

to add to the pot, Lecomber certainly had a reputation in the days of steet confrontation between AFA and the BNP as a game lad who led from the front- hence his nickname "tarmac"( which he regularly hit). working undercover in the fash has is occupational hazards of course- but 2 jail sentences is a lot to ask off any grass

is there any possibility that the BNP version here, namely that the pressure got to him and he lost his marbles is true?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Just to make myself unpopular, I have to say that TB - despite his Blairite politics - has a point. The 'evidence' presented thus far by Larry O'Hara amounts, it seems, to little more than speculation. Lecomber received a relatively lenient sentence for his terrorist offence. That he did a deal and has since been a state asset is one possible explanation, but is not the only possible explanation.

What other 'evidence' is there?

Surely it depends on how you approach the subject?

To me, L O'H (as I believe I mentioned in one of my posts on the first thread he posted) puts across some interesting and original stuff, but I don't take it as "holy writ", and I'm sure you'd agree that anyone doing so would be daft.
What Larry does do (IMO) is add useful questions to an ongoing debate, as well as occasionally turning up some very tasty substantiated facts.

Larry has a history of "delivering the goods" (larry does evidence, however fragmentary in some cases, whereas tbaldwin merely finds such a thing annoying and inconvenient), so I'll file away Larry's info on Lecomber and see how it pans out, as any rational person would.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Still living in a fantasy world.
Still obsessed by Searchlight. When they have done more to damage fascist groups than you could ever dream of.
Still can't answer the questions.

ah, you're pro-Searchlight--in which case, end of discussion (with you).

 

[tbaldwin]

ah, you're pro-Searchlight--in which case, end of discussion (with you).

Good stuff from Larry the omnipotent one. We could all learn so much from your painstaking guess work.......

 

[Larry O'Hara]

Surely it depends on how you approach the subject?

To me, L O'H (as I believe I mentioned in one of my posts on the first thread he posted) puts across some interesting and original stuff, but I don't take it as "holy writ", and I'm sure you'd agree that anyone doing so would be daft.
What Larry does do (IMO) is add useful questions to an ongoing debate, as well as occasionally turning up some very tasty substantiated facts.

Larry has a history of "delivering the goods" (larry does evidence, however fragmentary in some cases, whereas tbaldwin merely finds such a thing annoying and inconvenient), so I'll file away Larry's info on Lecomber and see how it pans out, as any rational person would.

A very fair post. I should say that up until recently, my view was that the case for Lecomber being a state asset was on the balance of probability not the case--eg see NFB 3 on his role in the Copeland case. It is just that his antics most recently have caused all the old questions to resurface, and meant his whole career trajectory post-1985 needs looking at in a new light. As the above poster says, I do 'do evidence', and my current views are not set in stone.

Re his most recent escapades, I would say that there was some evidence of pre-planning rather than a sudden spontaneous aberration. For the moment, though, I am awaiting to see what spin on events is put in the state-friendly media before coming to an analytical decision. Given that those forces have by definition (as opposed to me) the capacity to get their version out to a mass audience, whether via TV or otherwise, a prudent course of action on my part. Especially as SB have already tried to 'tap up' interested parties for their own nefarious purposes.

 

[tbaldwin]

1) Was that national socialist, or Stalinist?? (not that there's much difference anyway...

2) As you have surmised, I'm quaking with fear (or is it laughter?)

I loved that Larry!

 

[tbaldwin]

ah, you're pro-Searchlight--in which case, end of discussion (with you).

And this was great!
Any chance you could claim that i am a state assett,member of al qaeda,and mossad of course?
No wonder you like Violent panda.
Birds of a feather flock together....


Ps any chance of something a bit more convincing to back your theory about Lecomber yet?

 

[Larry O'Hara]

And this was great!
Any chance you could claim that i am a state assett,member of al qaeda,and mossad of course?
No wonder you like Violent panda.
Birds of a feather flock together....


Ps any chance of something a bit more convincing to back your theory about Lecomber yet?

see post 55