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Searchlight/Lowles proposals for future anti-BNP campaigning

Attica mate, if revolutionary politics is worth anything, then it is a continually expanding collective effort, its about breaking down barriers, not making the ones that exist even more intractable. At the moment its you against the world, this is not good, it's car crash politics over and over again. You are getting no where on here, if you say that you are doing things where you live, then go away and do that, forget about U75 at least for the moment. I think that it would be better for you in the long term :)
 
yes totally .. yet another thread ruined by attica .. please take some time out .. he's reduced to backing the tory boy now! :o
 
Paul Marsh said:
The problem being of course that many people in the Labour party are perfectly happy to see a reinvigorated far-right.

The BNP doing well concentrates the minds of those thinking of leaving Labour, gets the ethnic minority vote out, encourages the unions to maintain a working relationship with Labour and usually ensures that those to the left of Labour put their cross in the box of the party they spend so much time slagging off.

Labour against the BNP?

Why?
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i think you are not discriminating between local parties/members and the national lizards. i do not agree with you re the former but i can see your point re the later
 
durruti02 said:
yes totally .. yet another thread ruined by attica .. please take some time out .. he's reduced to backing the tory boy now! :o
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No not me pal. Aim your bile at the dorks who attack me. If they had better politics they wouldn't attack me, they don't get attacked in a similar way then...
 
Zhelezniakov said:
Attica mate, if revolutionary politics is worth anything, then it is a continually expanding collective effort, its about breaking down barriers, not making the ones that exist even more intractable. At the moment its you against the world, this is not good, it's car crash politics over and over again. You are getting no where on here, if you say that you are doing things where you live, then go away and do that, forget about U75 at least for the moment. I think that it would be better for you in the long term :)
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I do that anyway. barriers do not get broken down by me going away. It is the dorks who have the angst and who put up the barriers which are the problem - unfortunately that is the twats around here Paul/Butchers etc... Not me. I throw the bile back as clearly can be seen. The ones with the problem are the ones who attack me in the first place...:D
 
Attica said:
Because you say so? Surely you know that people will not shift ideological position so easily? If weight of argument would bring 'communism' or 'anarchism' into being it would already be here. Rather as 'cultural materialists' we (inc you) know that people will try things for themselves and then reflect on outcomes, which is why the web is not very suited to encouraging political change (which is a paradox).

Rather it is in 'real life' rather than the virtual and the discussions there which have the most purchase... By saying 'not good enough' you have reduced options and off he goes without thinking very much about what you have said... Or am I wrong?:D
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excellent response to Napoleon's usual "do nothing".
 
belboid said:
The main problem with the Searchlight artclie is its total dishonesty. Such 'localism' has been a part of their policy for years, tho they haven't generally had the forces to put it into practise in the vast majority of places. Where they have, they still cannot come out with anything practical to do to oppose the BNP, as saying or doing anything would be bound to mean criticising the other local parties (especially labour) - the very ones searchlight will call upon people to vote for, to stop the bnp!

The whole thing is nothing but an attack upon UAF, it's not a serious, honest, strategy in its own right.
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interesting ... you may be right though i tend to think they have been driven to this by the realities ..

however yes there certainly is a major problem/ contradiction with this approach, that i can not see how they can get over. IF you are to create a community approach why should it be restricted to anti fascism and how does it deal with Labour??
 
Attica said:
No not me pal. Aim your bile at the dorks who attack me. If they had better politics they wouldn't attack me, they don't get attacked in a similar way then...
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bullshit .. check the thread .. it was you with your pathetic 'ultra leftist bollocks' that was the first idiocy on this thread .. please just fucking go away .. :mad:
 
durruti02 said:
bullshit .. check the thread .. it was you with your pathetic 'ultra leftist bollocks' that was the first idiocy on this thread .. please just fucking go away .. :mad:
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Ultra left is a good and deserved description of isolationists/purists such as Butchers/IWCA. Put me on ignore if you want - i can live with that.
 
belboid said:
try to remember what you wrote Udo:


fine, you pretend this would be a 'united front', but we know from all the SWP's campaigns that it would be no such thing, and would have no class basis whatsoever.
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how do you know that, and how do you measure the class basis?

(it is clear from what I have read above, it is you who is not understanding what he is being written.)
 
Originally Posted by Paul Marsh
The problem being of course that many people in the Labour party are perfectly happy to see a reinvigorated far-right.

The BNP doing well concentrates the minds of those thinking of leaving Labour, gets the ethnic minority vote out, encourages the unions to maintain a working relationship with Labour and usually ensures that those to the left of Labour put their cross in the box of the party they spend so much time slagging off.

Labour against the BNP?

Why?

ATTICA;
Have you any proof of that assertion at all? (Above in bold)

Or is it ultra left conspiracy bollocks?

I have no problem with this - still. Pauls line was objectively ultra left, 'conspiracy' is a feature of ultra leftism so i used that phrase, and bollocks is another word for rubbish. All very very true thanks. He hasn't come back anyway, you shouldn't get upset cos somebody has been caught with their crap politics.

Rather than get upset you should have clarified his post as you did later on page 4 of this thread.
 
durruti02 said:
interesting ... you may be right though i tend to think they have been driven to this by the realities ..

however yes there certainly is a major problem/ contradiction with this approach, that i can not see how they can get over. IF you are to create a community approach why should it be restricted to anti fascism and how does it deal with Labour??
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it's the problem of 'anti-fascism' when there is no class alternative. Were Labour a party of and for the working-class, no matter how imperfectly, then backing them wouldn't be an issue. But as they're not....

So how should a wider 'community [and workplace] approach' deal with Labour? By doing ones damnedest to expose and crush their arguments and practises whenever they attack the working-class.
 
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