SCUM - the 'daddy' of all films

[Boycey]

watched it for the first time on the telly the other day, brilliant film.

"DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD! DEAD!"

 

[d.a.s.h]

Ah Penda's Fen, got a copy of that off ebay a few months ago. Robin Redbreast was another Play for Today in a similar vein.

 

[_pH_]

we did this the other week!

*smacks chico enrico round the bonce with snookerballsinsock*

 

[STFC]

haha, yes. actually i couldnt remember how to spell his name and the wrong character must have come up.

he's a real cock in the commentary over the original play for today version. it's him and phil daniels giving their accounts of the fiolming of it at the time and Threlfall is just bigging himself up and coming out with well cringeworthy comments.

i've never liked him as an actor anyway. hated his character in 'naked', have met too many wanks like that in real life

It's David Threlfall (Frank Gallagher in Shameless), not David Thewlis (Johnny in Naked).

I watched the original TV version just the other day for the first time.

 

[Maggot]

Archer.

I called my old Renault 5, Archer after him.

 

[camouflage]

A horrible classic, that just goes to show how utterly crap the 70's were.

[screech]Black Barsturd![/screech]

 

[Kaka Tim]

Saw 'Scum' at the cinema in a double bill with Quadrophenia - 4 hours of solid aggro really. I was 14 at the time and I came out of the cinema in a state of schock.

Brilliant, brutal film with fantastic performances. Ray Winstone is utterly compelling.

Scum was classic brit-grit social realism like they just don't make any more.

 

[chico enrico]

It's David Threlfall (Frank Gallagher in Shameless), not David Thewlis (Johnny in Naked).

I watched the original TV version just the other day for the first time.

aaahhhh yesssss!! sory for being thick.

that said, i hate Shamless too.

 

[chico enrico]

Saw 'Scum' at the cinema in a double bill with Quadrophenia - 4 hours of solid aggo really. I was 14 at the time and I came out of the cinema in a state of schock.

Brilliant, brutal film with fantastic performances. Ray Winstone is utterly compelling.

Scum was classic brit-grit social realism like they just don't make any more.

Yes. if they made it now they'd probably have Jude Law as the Ray Winstone character and Denise Van Outen as the 'new prison guard' .

NB: i think i first saw scum with quadrophenia too, but when it was first out in the cinema the support film was a film aboyt the Uk Subs on tour called 'Punk can't help It' or something similar. I only know this as i used to have a poster for scum out some music mag on my wall when i was a nipper, but have never seen the Subs film and have always been intrigued.

 

[chico enrico]

we did this the other week!

*smacks chico enrico round the bonce with snookerballsinsock*

doh! sorry! i'm thick.

"five puppies she had"

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Alan Clarke also directed "Road" by Alan Cartwright which I saw on the BBC in the late 80s. A brilliantly bleak (though maybe not...) picture of Northern life under Thatcher.

Which has the brilliant sequence with the bottles of wine and 'Try a Little Tenderness'.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Griff]

Saw 'Scum' at the cinema in a double bill with Quadrophenia - 4 hours of solid aggo really. I was 14 at the time and I came out of the cinema in a state of schock.

Brilliant, brutal film with fantastic performances. Ray Winstone is utterly compelling.

Scum was classic brit-grit social realism like they just don't make any more.

That's how I saw them both too.

The Ace in Green Street, East Ham would let all us kids in for all the 'X' films.

 

[d.a.s.h]

'X films' sounds so much more exciting and forbidden than '18'.

 

[trevhagl]

El Jefe will be down in a minute to lecture you all on encouraging violence

 

[chico enrico]

'X films' sounds so much more exciting and forbidden than '18'.

yes. '18' is still teenage. 'X' is for Men.

 

[geminisnake]

Scum was classic brit-grit social realism like they just don't make any more.

Are they allowed to make films like that anymore?? Violence seems to be ok if it's not real iykwim

Bought it on dvd for a few £ a couple of yrs ago

 

[Maggot]

Are they allowed to make films like that anymore?? Violence seems to be ok if it's not real iykwim

The football factory was pretty violent and real.

But there was quite a bit of fuss about it.

 

[Griff]

I think 'Rise of the Footsoldier' was the most violent British film I've seen in a while.

Not a pleasant watch at all.

 

[DotCommunist]

The football factory was pretty violent and real.

But there was quite a bit of fuss about it.

Yeah but it was a shit film tbf

 

[butchersapron]

The football factory was pretty violent and real.

But there was quite a bit of fuss about it.

No it wasn't.

The but is superflous accordingly

 

[phildwyer]

The football factory was pretty violent and real.

Actually it was the most wildly unrealistic portrayal of football culture that has ever graced screen, stage, disk or page. Apart from that you're right.

 

[Voley]

Just watched Scum again on the strength of this thread.

Looks very dated now - there's a few laughs in it but the bits that were shocking at the time aren't any more and the acting's laughable. Reminded me of Grange Hill a bit. With swearing and violence.

I watched Sexy Beast a couple of weeks back though, so it was a bit like watching Ray: The Early Years. Nice to see it all worked out for him in Spain later on.

 

[keybored]

Right Banks you bastard. I’m the daddy now - next time I’ll FAHCKIN KILL YA!

actually, wasn't that allan clark's 'made in Britain'? Think I heard that skinnyman lp in a bar sometime and remember the dialogue between the tracks. but i was drunken so apologies if i'm mistaken.

You're not - dialogue from Made In Britain runs all the way through the album.

 

[oryx]

Hee did loads of Plays for today/play of the month etc as well - Penda's Fen i think probably the best of them.

Penda's Fen

Remember seeing this in early adolescence - weird, disturbing, influential & brilliant.

 

[foo]

Just watched Scum again on the strength of this thread.

Looks very dated now - there's a few laughs in it but the bits that were shocking at the time aren't any more and the acting's laughable. Reminded me of Grange Hill a bit. With swearing and violence.

I watched Sexy Beast a couple of weeks back though, so it was a bit like watching Ray: The Early Years. Nice to see it all worked out for him in Spain later on.

i don't know if i could watch it now. that rape scene, then the boy's suicide. really really upset me that did. i remember coming out of the cinema crying my eyes out.

still, top film. one of the best. i'm glad it was made.

 

[sojourner]

i don't know if i could watch it now. that rape scene, then the boy's suicide. really really upset me that did. i remember coming out of the cinema crying my eyes out.

still, top film. one of the best. i'm glad it was made.

I've watched it a few times over the years, and I still get really upset about those scenes...can barely watch the rape scene

 

[Belushi]

Actually it was the most wildly unrealistic portrayal of football culture that has ever graced screen, stage, disk or page. Apart from that you're right.

Innit, truly one of the most god awful films ever made.

 

[butchersapron]

ID was far far worser though.

 

[Belushi]

ID was far far worser though.

I aint seen Green Street but apparently thats even more appalling.

 

[butchersapron]

It's pretty bad, but not as bad as ID.