Scum rapists who threw caustic soda over victim get jailed

[Orang Utan]

See, imo, this is the easy option and the wrong one. I was chatting with a mate earlier and he was telling me about his missus getting mugged recently and he described the empty impotent rage of not being able to retaliate at the people who had committed the crime, yet he also acknowledged that such feelings don't help you to move on.

As much as the instinct is to castigate and make these 3 lads "animals" and "scum" and "not like us", the bigger problem that no one wants to address is that they are like us, allbeit in a twisted and fucked up version that no-one wants to associate with whilst also enjoying recounting the nasty things that will/should be done to them in the name of retribution and justice.

Yet one could argue that the single most common predictor of males acting out such extreme and violent behaviours against a female will be the surrounding attitudes of the environment that they grow up in. And given that we are part of that environment, then we have a part to play, in challenging societal attitudes towards power and gender and choice; we have a part to play in shaping behaviour and belief and respect; and we have a part in trying to make sure that this type of horror-show doesn't occur again.

It's an awful crime and i would agree that their sentences appear lenient considering the situation - i assume the judge knocked off some years because the female concerned, who has learning difficulties and a mental age of between 8-9, went to the people involved willingly.

Yet if that's a mitigating circumstance, i.e. going along willingly, then the fact that these fucks have clearly taken extreme and violent advantage of her is without question and i don't think 8/9 years is sufficient as a punishment when you consider potential parole tbf. They'll get knocked up a bit i hope, but she's living with this for life, makes me really angry.

Aye!

 

[xenon]

I was just listening to the details on the news, absolutely horrific, just pure wickedness

Thought about starting this thread, wasn't in the mood TBH. It's cases like this, that really test one's anti death penalty stance.

Not to say I'd mind if they were summerily done away with by their peers. I'm not anti CP out of pacifism.

 

[Orang Utan]

They didn't kill anyone, the wickedness of their crimes aside.

 

[xenon]

Quote:
The girl has been left permanently disfigured and is undergoing treatment, including surgeries and skin grafts.

Judge Shaun Lyons said the girl's life has been "ruined" and that she will have to live with "major, major" physical difficulties.

So why did he give such small sentences?

Life for each of the cunts, with a 15 year min. rec. 25 year min. rec. for the cunt with the caustic soda.

Yep.

 

[xenon]

They didn't kill anyone, the wickedness of their crimes aside.

Yes, I know.

There are murder's less apporrent than this crime.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes, I know.

There are murder's less apporrent than this crime.

How so?

 

[xenon]

How so?

How can you think they're aren't? It doesn't take much imagination or tralling through the news to find murder cases that whilst ignominious, do not equate to the utter sickness of this.

 

[Orang Utan]

You think the victim of these crimes is better off dead then?

 

[pk]

You think the victim of these crimes is better off dead then?

Blimey. Dunno what you've been smoking lately but to violently gang rape an innocent 16 year old girl with a mental age of whatever, then to throw boiling caustic liquid on her whilst she screams for help...

Sorry but that kind of shit cannot compare.

If in some oddball deluded way you are equating my anger and frustration at this pathetic sentencing with the nature of the crimes these fuckos have been sent down for, then that is for you to deal with, not me.

All three of them deserve everything they get, apart from a comfy cell and a therapist. Lock them up or kill them, it matters not, their lives are worthless.

 

[shagnasty]

What exactly does it say about racism in the UK?

I could not see where race comes into it .according to a report the girl is ghana born so i assume she is of the same ethnic group .the mental scars are probablly deeper than the pschiscal scars

 

[albionism]

See, imo, this is the easy option and the wrong one. I was chatting with a mate earlier and he was telling me about his missus getting mugged recently and he described the empty impotent rage of not being able to retaliate at the people who had committed the crime, yet he also acknowledged that such feelings don't help you to move on.

As much as the instinct is to castigate and make these 3 lads "animals" and "scum" and "not like us", the bigger problem that no one wants to address is that they are like us, allbeit in a twisted and fucked up version that no-one wants to associate with whilst also enjoying recounting the nasty things that will/should be done to them in the name of retribution and justice.

Yet one could argue that the single most common predictor of males acting out such extreme and violent behaviours against a female will be the surrounding attitudes of the environment that they grow up in. And given that we are part of that environment, then we have a part to play, in challenging societal attitudes towards power and gender and choice; we have a part to play in shaping behaviour and belief and respect; and we have a part in trying to make sure that this type of horror-show doesn't occur again.

It's an awful crime and i would agree that their sentences appear lenient considering the situation -

i assume the judge knocked off some years because the female concerned, who has learning difficulties and a mental age of between 8-9,

went to the people involved willingly.

Yet if that's a mitigating circumstance, i.e. going along willingly, then the fact that these fucks have clearly taken extreme and violent advantage of her is without question and i don't think 8/9 years is sufficient as a punishment when you consider potential parole tbf. They'll get knocked up a bit i hope, but she's living with this for life, makes me really angry.

i agree with most of what you are saying, but surely the fact she has a mental age of 8-9 should mean a much harsher sentence, not a more lenient one. They have, in effect, raped a child and then thrown a corrosive liquid over her in an attempt to hide DNA evidence. The sentence is utterly pathetic.

 

[In Bloom]

It's an awful crime and i would agree that their sentences appear lenient considering the situation - i assume the judge knocked off some years because the female concerned, who has learning difficulties and a mental age of between 8-9, went to the people involved willingly.

How the fuck is that relevant? Since when was it acceptable to de facto blame the victims of brutal sexual assault, just because they willingly came to the place where it happened?

 

[In Bloom]

You think the victim of these crimes is better off dead then?

Obviously not, but the obvious pre-meditation, total lack of empathy and sheer brutality of the rapists' actions makes this case different to, say, somebody with pre-existing pyschological problems who snaps and kills somebody who has done them some percieved wrong in the heat of the moment. If nothing else, it reflects on the likelihood that they would do something similar again, if left at large.

 

[scifisam]

You think the victim of these crimes is better off dead then?

Murders are worse for the victim, but the actual act itself isn't necessarily worse, if that makes sense. Like with the scenario In Bloom outlines (although that might count as manslaughter rather than murder, to be fair).

 

[shagnasty]

My ex wife husband had sex with a girl who had learning difficulties made her pregnant he got ten years .he's in wakefield now.he was done for rape of a minor

 

[Skimix]

^^^^^^^^^^^ I dont usually wish it on anyone but grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

Nor do I but to do something like that, get away with such a short sentence and to top it all off treat it as though it's a bit of a laugh really really pissed me off.

 

[_angel_]

They didn't kill anyone, the wickedness of their crimes aside.

Yes. But two men having a drunken fight in a pub or something can result in a charge of murder, just from heat of the moment stuff.

What happened to this girl is far nastier in terms of the amount of thought that must have gone into it.

 

[Orang Utan]

Murders are worse for the victim, but the actual act itself isn't necessarily worse, if that makes sense. Like with the scenario In Bloom outlines (although that might count as manslaughter rather than murder, to be fair).

Yes, and manslaughter would probably not end up as a capital crime, should we have the death penalty.
I was just questioning the proposals for the reintroduction of the death penalty on here for something that wasn't premeditated murder.
It's all academic anyway cos I don't agree with it in any case whatsoever and never will.

 

[Orang Utan]

Yes. But two men having a drunken fight in a pub or something can result in a charge of murder, just from heat of the moment stuff.

What happened to this girl is far nastier in terms of the amount of thought that must have gone into it.

Sure, but it doesn't mean they should lose their lives. Their lives are ruined now too, though they may not 'suffer' as much as their victim.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

How the fuck is that relevant? Since when was it acceptable to de facto blame the victims of brutal sexual assault, just because they willingly came to the place where it happened?

It's relevant because of the above unfortunately. Don't mistake my raising the issue for me supporting the "de facto" approach but it is a fact that this is how justice in this country often works - look at the defence case in many rape trials, for eg, which is approached on just such a basis regularly i.e. "she was asking for it". Sad but unfortunately true.

 

[trashpony]

They'll be out before they're 30. How does that ruin their lives?

She's fucked up for life

 

[Orang Utan]

They'll be out before they're 30. How does that ruin their lives?

She's fucked up for life

They're fucked up for life if they've done something like that and what's more they'll be even more twisted when they come out. Perhaps they should stay there, though it would cost a lot to keep every twisted psycho locked up.

 

[Stoat Boy]

I could not see where race comes into it .according to a report the girl is ghana born so i assume she is of the same ethnic group .the mental scars are probablly deeper than the pschiscal scars

I guess race comes into the equation because it does seem to be a crime (gang rape by teenagers) that is committed in large part by Afro-Caribean youths, at least from what I can make out by the reports in the media and if people have evidence that its a type of crime that is carried out accross the UK and by all ethnic groups then I will happily be educated.

Plus, and I accept that this is emotive, would a judge having given out a harsher sentance if the victim had been white and that there was an element of 'hate' to the crime ?

 

[In Bloom]

They're fucked up for life if they've done something like that and what's more they'll be even more twisted when they come out. Perhaps they should stay there, though it would cost a lot to keep every twisted psycho locked up.

Different kind of fucked up though. They're the kind of fucked up that leads to acts of gratuitous violence against other people for no good reason, IMO, in an ideal world, they'd be locked up and stay locked up unless it could be somehow be proven that they were no longer likely to do such horrible things.

 

[Fedayn]

See, imo, this is the easy option and the wrong one. I was chatting with a mate earlier and he was telling me about his missus getting mugged recently and he described the empty impotent rage of not being able to retaliate at the people who had committed the crime, yet he also acknowledged that such feelings don't help you to move on.

As much as the instinct is to castigate and make these 3 lads "animals" and "scum" and "not like us", the bigger problem that no one wants to address is that they are like us, allbeit in a twisted and fucked up version that no-one wants to associate with whilst also enjoying recounting the nasty things that will/should be done to them in the name of retribution and justice.

Yet one could argue that the single most common predictor of males acting out such extreme and violent behaviours against a female will be the surrounding attitudes of the environment that they grow up in. And given that we are part of that environment, then we have a part to play, in challenging societal attitudes towards power and gender and choice; we have a part to play in shaping behaviour and belief and respect; and we have a part in trying to make sure that this type of horror-show doesn't occur again.

It's an awful crime and i would agree that their sentences appear lenient considering the situation - i assume the judge knocked off some years because the female concerned, who has learning difficulties and a mental age of between 8-9, went to the people involved willingly.

Yet if that's a mitigating circumstance, i.e. going along willingly, then the fact that these fucks have clearly taken extreme and violent advantage of her is without question and i don't think 8/9 years is sufficient as a punishment when you consider potential parole tbf. They'll get knocked up a bit i hope, but she's living with this for life, makes me really angry.

It was a flippant off the cuff remark, not some call for knifing the perpetrators as some kind of punishment.

Frankly part of me wouldn't mind if they got handcuffed then locked in a big room with a few of the girls relatives armed with baseball bats. The terror the two not being battered might feel, knowing what's coming, might just be a tiny bit like the fear that the youg girl must have felt.

Then the other part of me wants them locked up for a long time and dealt with properly and certainly humanely but without kid gloves in regards to dealing with thir horrific crime. And as In Bloom says and for a long, long time if necessary.

 

[pk]

They're fucked up for life if they've done something like that and what's more they'll be even more twisted when they come out. Perhaps they should stay there, though it would cost a lot to keep every twisted psycho locked up.

I don't think they have any grasp of the things they did, they laughed as the girl was writhing in agony and they laughed in court.

The death penalty would be the best solution for these cunts, but since we don't have that lets just lock them up for a bit, they'll be out in their mid-twenties, one of them looks like he'll be out in two years.

no point going to the cops, no point going through the court system.

better off if the family had just kept it to themselves and murdered the fuckers, they had mitigating circumstances and I'm sure the father or whoever
would have been served a similarly pathetic sentence.

I'd sooner serve 5 years inside knowing each of the rapists was worm food than put anyone I loved through the ordeal of giving evidence in court for the humiliating token jail term these surplus humans recieved.

Perhaps there is hope yet... after all wankers like this often kill each other, as the incident in Oxford Street proved.

 

[Orang Utan]

You have a very regrettable world view. This is in many ways, I have no doubt, similar to the ethics of those young men you feel so superior to and whose lives you brag about having the balls to end. We're all fucked if we all thought the way you and they do.

 

[Yetman]

What would someone have to do to get the maximum term ffs?? This is mental.

Thing is if a member of the girls family took the law into his own hands and damaged some of these cunts to the extent the girls was damaged, he'd probably get a lot longer inside.

One of these cases with such pathetic sentencing is a joke, but this is happening over and over again. When the fuck is the law gonna be sorted out? It seems like judges are that out of touch with reality they actually think rape isnt that bad compared to robbery or fraud or whatever. I cant get my head round it

 

[pk]

You have a very regrettable world view. This is in many ways, I have no doubt, similar to the ethics of those young men you feel so superior to and whose lives you brag about having the balls to end. We're all fucked if we all thought the way you and they do.

Yes, because it's clear my ethics are clearly just so similar to those of these laughing rapists.

I often wonder about how I'm going to get a girl with learning difficulties gangraped and then burned so badly that she ends up in a coma.
I think it's plainly obvious what I'm really saying - the law is a joke, better off taking matters into your own hands if you really want justice.

If the father of this girl had killed these runts with his bare hands in the days after the attack, I doubt a judge in the land would have had the bollocks to send him away for anything like 7 years or whatever pathetic term was handed out to the rapists. Seems like a fair deal to me, playing the system.

 

[Stoat Boy]

For me rape should be viewed as being worse than murder. I think we are all capable of taking anothers life for whatever reason given the right circumstances and that in terms of sentancing its the context of the crime that matters but rape is all about power which means those who commit it must have some very messed up notions about life and how we have to relate to others. There are no excuses or mitigating circumstances or there but for the grace of God go I moments when it comes to rapists.

Whilst I am against capital punishment I think the case for it is much clearer cut in terms of rapist than murderers for the reasons I have listed above.